2013 GT500 Thoughts/Video


dbk

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Now that I've had some time to spend with the 2013 GT500, here's some of thoughts I have on it.

If you like your Ford GT, chances are you're going to like this car. Obviously these are two very different cars, but there's alot of things I find common between them when driving. I made the comment to Jamal and John Pfeiffer (who some of you will remember from the FGT program) that if you closed your eyes (which would be a very bad idea) you could mistake which car you're in. They both seemed to have the same assessment. It's the combination of the gearing, the power, and the power delivery that really makes the two feel similar. I never thought the Ford GT felt fast in that sort of frenetic way a European V8 does. It just sort of washes over you with this surge of power that makes you look down and suddenly realize "$#*&, I'm going really fast." This car is the same way. For me, I prefer that long rush of power to the constant shifting of a car with 3.73s. I will say that once it gets up near 7k, you can tell that it gets a little more raucous and has a sort of hybrid character of the old 5.4L and some of the new Boss 5.0.

As some of you may know, I like driving fast. This car does well at speed. It's a big heavy car, and now it's got some downforce. This makes it feel very stable and planted as you barrel towards the horizon. Above 150, the adjustable bilsteins automatically go into Sport mode. Obviously you hear the concern that "Yeah, that's a Mustang, I don't want to go 200 in that." There's no evidence of anything but this car being really good at going fast. You'll see at Nola if you come to Ford GT Rally 7.

Speaking of Sport mode, the car has some cool tech, being able to switch the shock mode on the fly, as well as the steering. There are settings for comfort, normal and sport. I think most people that live anywhere with serviceable roads will just leave it in Sport all the time.

The Recaro seats are excellent. Comfortable for driving fairly hard and comfortable for daily driving. Like the alcantara inserts. Would and did skip the color contrast striping.

The steering wheel is also excellent. Steering wheel is one of those things that can make or break a car for me. This one is nice and thick, and again the alcantara inserts are great right where you probably spent most of your time holding. Unfortunately, in my experience, alcantara that comes in contact with human skin and friction wears poorly, and I don't really expect that this will do any better.

The shifter is another dialed in item. SVT clearly spent a bunch of time getting this right. Very accurate, quick, works well being slammed or just driving regular. Cool shift knob too.

Exhaust note is good. Judge for yourself in the vid.

Unfortunately, most of the roads in Detroit only have turns at intersections, so I don't have much to say about the turning yet. I will say that the car attacks our cloverleaf entrance ramps like an animal, and the G2s are a very grippy tire vs. an FGT Eagle F1. I'm going to head down to the track at Nola in a couple weeks and will have more to say then.

Launch control is another neat function. It's in the vid too. It's honestly pretty surprising that the car will scoot off the line with a reasonable mix of wheelspin and stick. I think it will be alot of fun for people that like to go to the drag strip. You're going to have to play around with it a lot to dial in the right RPM for the right conditions. It will bog pretty easily with the wrong rpm. I think the track apps are fun, but gimmicky. They aren't accurate vs a vBox, and they come off slow.

Speaking of speed...I honestly couldn't tell you what's faster between this and a stock GT. They are pretty similar. I'd say that the GT is easily faster to 60. From 60-130 I'm not sure. I haven't really spent that much time driving stock GTs, but a pulley/tune GT is much faster. I did take the GT out for a minute and was reminded that however faster a 600 rwhp stock Mustang feels (and that's ludicrously fast for a stock $55k car), an 850 rwhp turbo GT lugging around 400 less pounds is reaaaaally fast.

Overally, I think everyone at SVT did a really great job with the car. It's a great send off for Carroll Shelby. It's also a great send off to this gen of Mustang and is a car I would have deemed unthinkable early in the last decade. If you're thinking about buying one, I think you'll be happy if you do. If you like the recipe of big engine, big blower, big power, big speed take advantage...

And a little trailer I threw together:

[video=youtube_share;HHX3kuYEu-I]http://youtu.be/HHX3kuYEu-I[/video]
 

fjpikul

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I hope you don't let your daughter listen to that kind of music! Nice write-up and vid.
 

Superfly

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Nice review. Looks like a great car. But I'm most impressed with your videography and your video editing skills. Wow, nice job!!!
 

dbk

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Hey Frank, the car is evil! It deserves evil music! :biggrin

Now I just gotta get it cleaned up and take some pics. This car in black with the black wheels and the new blacked LED tail lamps looks about as evil as a car can. With that big gaping mouth up front, it looks like it's going to swallow anything in front of it whole.
 

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This car in black with the black wheels and the new blacked LED tail lamps looks about as evil as a car can. With that big gaping mouth up front, it looks like it's going to swallow anything in front of it whole.

Need more Protein!!!! Vettes ZL1s Porsches....
 

BlackICE

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Wow, Dave it looks like you will need a new set of rear tires soon. :lol
 
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Specracer

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Great write up, looking forward to seeing it somewhere.
 

KJD

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Nasty.
 

MNJason

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Excellent. Thanks for sharing!
 

dbk

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Here is the video from the other dyno.

When I went to Livernois Motorsports they were gracious enough to squeeze the car in immediately on the in-ground dynojet they have, the car made a best pull of 601 rwhp. The next pull it made 595 rwhp. This was with roughly 95 miles. I was happy with those numbers but had some friends in town with a dyno that wanted to do a back to back.

After putting a few more miles on the car, I went over to the other dyno. They spent some time setting a few things up and let the car settle down. During this time period, the ambient temps dropped and we had a little bit of a breeze. On the first pull the car made 613.9 rwhp. They gave it a few minutes to cool off, ran it again and it made 603 rwhp. By this time the car had maybe 140 miles on it.

The moral of the story is that no matter how you slice it, this car is a legit ~600 rwhp car from the factory. Some dynos will read higher, some will read lower, but I think 590-620 is the ballpark they will be in. Probably some 560-590s on Mustang dynos.

[video=youtube;Q7YU_BPfprw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7YU_BPfprw[/video]
 

Seank

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I guess I'm not in the DBK click!! The video says private!:willy:willy:willy


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dbk

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Whoops let me fix that
 

dbk

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Should work now!
 

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Good stuff man !
 

ChipBeck

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Dave,

Outstanding write up and video. Your analysis is more useful than the enthusiast magazines and tailored to the experience base of FGT owners. Having painted a picture we can all understand, you also managed to generate a feeling of dissatisfaction with my current fleet of 3 Mustangs. Good grief, let's see how my garage can be reorganized. Cheers.

Chip
 

Sinovac

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Having painted a picture we can all understand, you also managed to generate a feeling of dissatisfaction with my current fleet of 3 Mustangs. Good grief, let's see how my garage can be reorganized. Cheers. Chip

No kidding. Don't drive a new one Chip unless you are prepared to write a check. Anyone want my low mileage, mint and meticulously maintained 2008 GT500 with 713 rwhp? Carefully driven only a 1/4 mile at a time on Sundays. I'll include 8 sets of lightly used rear tires, good for tire swings or tugboat fenders.
 

2112

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DBK,

I have an 08' GT500 and I felt the single biggest weakness in it's suspension was the panhard bar stabilization of the rear axle. I converted to a Torque arm and a Watt's link to replace the Panhard and upper control arm.

I assume the new car is the same?

When you get a chance to take some higher speed sweepers on on-ramps or what not, can you report back to us how the rear stays planted, particularly if you encounter an expansion joint, under acceleration on said sweeper?

Thanks

Want one bad, blue withe charcoal strips here. wait, that new dark metallic red is killer too.
 

Sinovac

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The general configuration of the rear suspension is the same (3 link/panhard bar). The suspension on my son's 2013 GT with the track pack is much better than that on my 2008 GT500 when it was stock. No comparison in the sweepers. The 2013 GT500 suspension should be similar to the GT with the Track Pack. Our 2008s came with the Trac-Lok diff (clutch packs), which is a thoroughly unimpressive piece. You won't believe how well the Torsen diff puts the power down in the twisties. The only concern I have is with the durability of the Torsen in the GT500 application. It is a (somewhat) fragile helical gear design that isn't suitable for high shock load applications (read: drag strip). I had one in my GT500 and broke it after about 20 drag strip launches. Torsen specifically states on its website that it isn't suitable for drag racing or high shock loads. Since this has been well known for quite sone time, the Torsen unit in the GT500 might be a stronger design like the Detroit Truetrac.
 

Sinovac

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2112,

You and I had the diff discussion back in November in another thread. I'm getting forgetful in my old age.
 

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I have a complete 2013 Boss 302 L.S. suspension set up for sale if anyone is interested.Never used!Also have rotors and stock pads never used.
Pm me if interested