2011 gt500


ChipBeck

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I may have a problem.

I've got 3 Mustangs in my garage now. If I order a White Performance Pack 2011 GT500, I may have to enter a twelve step program. :willy

Chip
 

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2011 GT500 SVT Stripes

Very interesting color combo. I like..........GO BLU
 

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Silverbullitt

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I wonder if the coyote 5.0 heads would fit on the 5.4 modular? That could be the next step, then DI then Turbos.
 

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Really interesting stuff. There's a whole bunch of interesting technological advances coming down the performance pipe....

We recently had a chance to sit down with GT500 chief nameplate engineer Jamal Hameedi in his office at SVT's headquarters to learn more about what's new for 2011. Switching to an aluminum block was a bit more complicated than simply digging out the casting molds that were used for the GT. The engine in that 200+ mph supercar used a dry sump lubrication system and featured iron cylinder liners. The new GT500 engine is derived from the structural design of the older block but retains the wet sump system used in other Mustangs. The real magic is something that most owners will likely never actually see.

Last June we learned about an award that several Ford researchers had received for a cylinder bore coating system they developed called the Plasma Transferred Wire Arc (PTWA) process. The Ford press release at the time framed the award in terms of fuel efficiency and gave no real hint about what was about to come. It now turns out that the first production Ford to use the PTWA process will be the 2011 GT500.

Nissan actually licensed PTWA from Ford for use on its V6 engine in the GT-R.The heart of the PTWA process involves feeding a steel wire into a device that heats it up to 35,000 degrees Fahrenheit and then sprays it onto the aluminum cylinder bores. Ford is not actually the first company to use a process like this. Similar mechanisms have been used to coat the fan blades in jet engines for a number of years. One of the primary differences is that Ford is using PTWA with a conventional steel alloy rather than some super exotic aerospace material. Ford isn't even the first automaker to use this specific coating process. That honor falls to Nissan, which actually licensed the technology from Ford for use on its V6 engine in the GT-R.

Hameedi believes that Ford has an important advantage over Nissan. Anyone that has ever used a teflon-coated pan is familiar with the problem of the non-stick coating peeling off over time. In the past BMW has also had issues with the nickasil coatings prematurely separating on some of its aluminum blocks. Getting any dissimilar materials to adhere to each other is always a problem, so the initial surface has to be specially prepared in order for the coating to have something to hang on to. Nissan licensed Ford's coating technology but used its own surface preparation process. According to Hameedi, Ford's surface preparation works so well that even after engines have gone through a full durability cycle the bores still look like new.

Using the PTWA process allows the block to have a thinner surface coating - only 150 microns deep - that is just as tough as one with cast or pressed-in iron or steel liners. However, using less material results in lower weight. According to Hameedi, the GT500 block is 8.5 pounds lighter than the sleeved GT version. Overall, the complete engine is 102 pounds lighter than the 2010 cast iron engine. The steel coating has also helped Ford reduce the internal friction of the engine, aiding both efficiency and power production.
 

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Cobrar

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Vert 30% stiffer than 2010

All alluminum block, NO sleves. A plasma coating on the walls.


I guess I am 'old school'. I prefer to have the 8lb. 'disadvantage' accruing from the iron liners in my GT. Known wear, heat transfer, etc.

And as with any new technology, there may be unknown and un-intended consequences from utilizing this new wire coating process for aluminum cylinder bores --- it apparently caused the front end of the GTR to be really fugly. :eek

Or, maybe, Nissan decided to secure only a portion of the technology from Ford ...
 
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BlackICE

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I guess if you scuff the bore it is time for a new block.
 

KJRGT

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Musical Chairs with toys? Not sure yet.....Expresso sounds good...GO BLU
George, I just made some garage space by sending my 65 Mustang Coupe to Scottsdale with Chip and Veronica....plenty of prime space for one of your toys here in Monrovia. :biggrin
 

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Thanks.....

George, I just made some garage space by sending my 65 Mustang Coupe to Scottsdale with Chip and Veronica....plenty of prime space for one of your toys here in Monrovia. :biggrin

Thanks for the offer. The 2011 GT500 won't be here until May or by June first. I think I can fit one more in with a shoehorn........GO BLU
 

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midnite blu,

you don't have any room in your garage for another one, and if you get one, then I will have to get one, and I don't have any room for another one! Mine isn't more than 3 months old and now this new one comes out. What is happening here to marketing? :willy
 
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Stef

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WOW! I WANT ONE. GO FORD-GO BLU:thumbsup:cheers:banana
 

dbk

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Concur. I was really not digging those stripes at all until I saw that picture. That just looks mean.
 

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New Stripes.....

What do you think of these?
 

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djs

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I've got no complaints with either one of them!
Now, if Ford would just import that little green job Dave was referring to, and price it around $30 large...
 

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What do you think of these?

Looks great Blu!

I've got no complaints with either one of them!
Now, if Ford would just import that little green job Dave was referring to, and price it around $30 large...

Probably gonna be 3 years. ST should be here before that though. That green thing is nearly 30k GBP. Needless to say, the business case is weak.
 
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No liners, huh? Remember nickasil?

“and” Alusil as used by BMW and NiCom still used today by places such as US Chrome for Porsche barrels, etc.

The process allows for no sleeves but in using it they must also consider the block a consumable item because re-plating has mixed results.

I have read the comments on this process and for me it is "no sale" as I have been down the road and one of the ways that the coating/impregnation system works by using with much lower tension rings as such because of the closed crankcase system greater blow-by is considered acceptable.

Having said this I still applaud Ford for reaching out and presenting to the public that which folks seem to be asking for.

Takes care

Shadowman
 

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Saw a pair of "foci" yesterday in boston with MI tags, I assume some sort of promo tour. They really looked nice.

Looks great Blu!



Probably gonna be 3 years. ST should be here before that though. That green thing is nearly 30k GBP. Needless to say, the business case is weak.
 

ChipBeck

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Sleeves.

The process allows for no sleeves but in using it they must also consider the block a consumable item because re-plating has mixed results.

I have read the comments on this process and for me it is "no sale" as I have been down the road and one of the ways that the coating/impregnation system works by using with much lower tension rings as such because of the closed crankcase system greater blow-by is considered acceptable.

Shadowman

Bill,

I don't know anything about engine rebuilding, so I'll ask you. Rather than discard the block if it needed to be rebored, could it be sleeved with steel liners and reused?

Chip
 

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That green thing is nearly 30k GBP. Needless to say, the business case is weak.

Is Ford trying to build a business case for the Focus RS with the signing of Ken Block? I would imagine that signing has taken "Ford Rally" to the next level!:biggrin
 

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Midnite Blu

Got you on that one. If you can figure out the meaning of the "Toxin Girls" license plates in this image, the first drink at the Cahuilla Creek Casino is on me for the next Bony Memorial Run

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