What if the GT was released during these economic crisis?

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Freddy, we are on the same page, including definitions. Car for me are a source of pleasure and never purchased with the idea of making money. Short of my street rides, I buy cars to keep them, I have an agreement with Mrs. Bony, she doesn't sell her jewelry and I don't sell my collectables.

We all know about the spectacular wrecks that happen on a race track of find their way onto other forums. However, shops that complete repairs and are paid by the owners will not disclose their client list or the nature of their work.
 
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Freddy, we are on the same page, including definitions. Car for me are a source of pleasure and never purchased with the idea of making money. Short of my street rides, I buy cars to keep them, I have an agreement with Mrs. Bony, she doesn't sell her jewelry and I don't sell my collectables.

We all know about the spectacular wrecks that happen on a race track of find their way onto other forums. However, shops that complete repairs and are paid by the owners will not disclose their client list or the nature of their work.
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ok Bony i see where you are coming from now. personally i would prefer to buy a Ford GT that has never been in a wreck and repaired and i would pay a premium for it if i had too. but that is just me and this may not be an issue for other people. 30 years from now the supply of GT's will be so small that it will probably be a non-issue when it comes to re-sale. but again we need to start tracking how many have been "totaled beyond repair" because just like the original GT-40's from the 60's the few remaining survivors that exist from the original 100+ build in the 60's has made a impact on the cars value today some 40+ years later.

since most of the guys on this site are older than me they may or may not care about what their car is worth 30 years from now unless they plan on passing it on to their son, etc; but since i will still be around come 2038 i care alot about this info as i might just auction my GT off in 2038 :thumbsup
 
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Wrecked GTs

For the SAAC GT Registry, I have been keeping track of GTs that have been reported as crashed or repaired. I have saved pictures and VIN numbers of wrecked cars, and purchased CARFAX reports for a number of them. There are a few of cars that have already managed to get their salvage titles "washed", and many more that were repaired "off the books".

I invite any Forum members who have information on damaged cars to share it with me, and I will record it in my database. The information printed in the SAAC GT Registry is just a point in time, I have additional data and pictures that were not published, and I am continually updating the database with new data as it is received. This information will be very valuable in the future, and anyone about to spend six figures on a collector car ought to know as much about the car's history as possible. Forum members who are looking to buy another GT are welcome to contact me for any additional information I may have on a specific car.

regards,

Jeff

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Thanks for all the hard work you do Jeff!

Is there a way a perspective buyer (for a fee of course to cover your cost) gain access to a non- committal vehicle history as a check point to go with a PPI?

If you can - and if the Bonaraptor approves, how about a sticky in GT for Sales section?

At a minimal - PLEASE keep going!


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cobrajeff thats a great service to our community and I appreciate it:thumbsup
 
I agree. Thanks CobraJeff. Your info would be very useful to me also if it is available. Let me know.....
 
Jeff - thanks for the info. Good to hear from you. My blue one is in bed for the winter.
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I have also been watching prices on F cars and GT's. With some of the discounts it makes it very difficult to resist, although the economy of the last 2 years having taken away 50% of my net worth has certainly tempered my temptation. For anyone interested in current prices on F-430's and GT's here are several recent closed transactions. Hope this helps.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0321861842&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&viewitem=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0311035146&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&viewitem=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0316828262&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&viewitem=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0277442748&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&viewitem=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0269098212&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&viewitem=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0273270974&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&viewitem=
 
Be aware that a huge percentage of eBay deals never actually occur. It's only very moderately useful as a tool to gauge prices. Auctions may be "complete" but the odds of the deal occurring at the final price are very low.
 
DBK said:
Be aware that a huge percentage of eBay deals never actually occur. It's only very moderately useful as a tool to gauge prices. Auctions may be "complete" but the odds of the deal occurring at the final price are very low.
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I agree with DBK. Many dealers set a very low reserve, or no reserve at all, and then bid with a bogus ID to make sure they dont sell their car to cheap. Why they do this I dont know as it just causes further confussion when someone sees something supposedly "SELL", then its back for sale the next day or next week. Anyway, there are some good deals out there to be had at the current time. The Red car that just sold was a Forum members here and was a very good buy. The blue car that sold for $149k had several issues that were NOT disclosed in the auction ( I talked directly to the seller AND to a potential buyer that looked at it). The White car for $142k was a canadian car which has also been discussed on this forum. The silver car for $140k, only thing I can say is it was an early production 05, but other than that, seemed to be a very GOOD deal.
 
Thanks for the information on those cars Shelby, that is very useful.
 
No problem. There are great deals out there, but its nice for people to be aware of all the facts on cars that sell below market value. Either way you look at it, this is a good time to buy if you have the means....
 
The issue which we also need to remember is the price is relative to the condition of the cars, with perhaps 35% of the fleet damaged, how many cars on the market have been repaired?

Ebay always amazes me, the minute they started coding all the bidders name, I lost all trust in them. Always like a clue who I am bidding against. Understand why they did it, however they lost credibility with me.
 
I agree with you Bony, but so many people were getting scammed through scammers getting their info off ebay. Wish ebay could have come up with a better solution.
 
Ebay is a joke.

All users now HAVE to use paypal....with kremlin era risk controls

The bean counters are destroying the community to promote a payment service that will be crushed in 5 yrs by some server bank
 
REALLY? I dont think you are FORCED to use paypal. I have customers that are not even registered with paypal that have recently purchased from us on ebay....
 
Interesting ebay turn this thread has made. I am going to share my .02 for what it is worth as a private buyer and seller.

I have bought five and sold four cars off of ebay listings. All of the cars I bought were pending an inspection and below retail prices except a specialty NSX that I just wanted and was able to sell three years later for 3K more than I bought it for....with a 10 K engine rebuild. :lol Three of the transactions (two purchases and a sale) were completed after the listing ended through continuing dialogue with the interested parties. There are a surprising number of people who continue to ask about a car after the listing ends....either hoping for a price drop or because they want to inspect and do not want to be "locked" into an ebay transaction.

For example I "bought" 3,100 mile whippled GT pending an inspection, called Kendall and went and looked at the car. It was not what I wanted and I paid the seller for the listing that I ended (about $90) and we went our separate ways. (bought my current GT from a different private seller four days later/not ebay) However, I was pleased with all the transactions I did through ebay including three dealer purchases and the GT purchase that did not work out.

Selling was a different animal. A lot of lookie loos and a lot of :bs questions from people with no intention of buying the car. I made up a word document that had all the answers/info that anyone would want and cut and pasted responses to every single question with personalized dialogue around the filler info. It worked great and all four cars (except a supercharged Vette I had) sold within $1000 of what I wanted to get going in to the transaction. Two of the eventual "buyers" asked a lot of ridiculous questions but ended up being real and bought the cars. That is why you have to pay attention to all of the questions you get.

In my experience I will say that completed ebay transactions give you a good look at the low end that cars will sell for unless you have a real patient seller. However if you have the time and the patience one of the other advertising mediums will probably get you a better price. But barring a relist those are real transactions and have to be seen as serious prices. I trust shelby completely when he says two of the four were good deals, while the other ones not so much. I was surprised to see such low mile GT's go for such a low price....especially the '06. I have not looked at prices since I bought mine in April.

Disclaimer in that I have never sold a 100K+ car on ebay, just more normal high end cars....Viper, NSX, BMW, and a Vette. :cheers
 
Also note that the cars were sold by people with VERY minimal feedback. Nothing against yukonranger who is a forum member and sold his red car recently on ebay, but IMHO, his listing hurt the sale of his car BIG TIME. There were 2 pictures and maybe 2 sentences describing the car. Now, someone that is about to make a $100k+ investment with a person they know nothing about is generally gonna want more info, more pics, etc. If the listing LACKS this, generally the buyer will just pass it by and go on to the next item for sale. Most people purchasing these cars are willing to pay up to get a perfect car they are confident in. Not saying that Yukons car wasnt as I actually inquired on it, BUT I know of him from the forum and that helps me a little. The buyers on ebay dont know him from a scammer in Nigeria. Take this as a useful tip if any of you decide to take on selling your car yourself. you can NEVER have too many pics and ALWAYS put as much info as possible. Think to yourself, What would "I" want to see if "I" was the purchaser.
 
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Also note that the cars were sold by people with VERY minimal feedback. Nothing against yukonranger who is a forum member and sold his red car recently on ebay, but IMHO, his listing hurt the sale of his car BIG TIME. There were 2 pictures and maybe 2 sentences describing the car. Now, someone that is about to make a $100k+ investment with a person they know nothing about is generally gonna want more info, more pics, etc. If the listing LACKS this, generally the buyer will just pass it by and go on to the next item for sale. Most people purchasing these cars are willing to pay up to get a perfect car they are confident in. Not saying that Yukons car wasnt as I actually inquired on it, BUT I know of him from the forum and that helps me a little. The buyers on ebay dont know him from a scammer in Nigeria. Take this as a useful tip if any of you decide to take on selling your car yourself. you can NEVER have too many pics and ALWAYS put as much info as possible. Think to yourself, What would "I" want to see if "I" was the purchaser.
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:thumbsup You are definitely right Shelby. You can't have too many pics or too much info. I learned that from my first ebay sale. And having a lot of good feedback definitely helps...even if the feedback is not from buying and selling cars. Potential buyers like to see a high positive feedback rating. I intentionally bought and sold trivial items like DVD's to get my feedback up after my first sale and it made a difference in buyer comfort with future transactions.

One thing though, no matter how much info you put in the listing people will ask you a question that is covered in the listing. Most people just look at the pictures...get lathered up about the car and start firing off questions. Don't assume that the buyer is a pain in the rear or not serious because he asked a question covered in the listing. Like I said before, a couple of people who bought from me I did not think were that serious and they were. And it can be a time consuming process. But for me at least it worked out well.

As is trumpeted here on the Forum, you really need some type of inspection if you are buying. There are two cars that I bought pending inspection that were not what I wanted. If they are unwilling to do the sale pending a satisfactory inspection by you or someone representing you.....run.
 
Trust me, I know all about answering already covered questions. And I give every customer equal respect wether I think they are wasting my time or not. Never know whos gonna buy.....
I have seen it many times. The guy in the cut off t-shirt and jeans may very well be able to buy me out of their hip pocket when the guy in the Armani Suit cant by a Hyundai. Never pre-qualify your buyers by their appearance......
 
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