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GTdrummer
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Wwabbit
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Did they not have her strapped in correctly or was her fighting against the dude that created that problem?
That being said. When she started resisting that much, just let her go back and take a seat. Free dive for the co-diver.
That being said. When she started resisting that much, just let her go back and take a seat. Free dive for the co-diver.
Wwabbit
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Precisely, the tandem master basically forced the exit on the poor girl. She changed her mind and that should have been that. With all the jostling in the door her leg straps slipped down under her knees and the TM failed to do a final check because he was so insistent. He needs to be spanked. The camera guy recognized it and flew in to try to fix it but that's a lost cause and they ran out of time. If her arms had gone up she could have come out of the harness. Could have been a very bad outcome for both. But that's the way they roll over there.
Sinovac
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fjpikul
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skyrex
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I was a full time instructor for 3 years and I did over 1,100 tandems and more than 1,600 AFF student jumps. Unfortuantely I have seen stuff like that before. People get scared all the time at the door and getting them out or "keying" the exit as we called it was common. However not having her strapped in tighter was a mistake. Some instructors go for "comfort" of themselves and the student and don't strap people in tightly. If the jump went well it would not have been an issue. The instructor and student were very lucky that had a happy ending.
Exactly. Simply from the standpoint of liability (never mind common sense) it would have made far more sense to do that. What if she'd had heart attack/stroke and died as a result of being forced out the door? She's EIGHTY, for Pete's sake.
twobjshelbys
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2112
Blue/white 06'
skyrex
FORD GT OWNER
There is a saying in skydiving for students, you are paying for the airplane ride, the jump is free. :lol
I rode the airplane down with students who changed their mind 3 or 4 times and I got paid for the jump. There is no incentive for me to push someone out of the plane. However the exit was completely normal on that jump. People grab the side of the door when getting ready to exit all the time. I can't tell you how many times I had that happen and yelled in the persons ear "Do you want to go??" and they would reply yes and I would have to say "Then let go of the F#$*ing door!!" They don't even remember doing it until they see it on video. The problem was how loose the harness was. I also can tell you I had multiple times that people asked me to LOOSEN the harness because it was too tight. I would kindly explain to them it would not feel too tight once we left the plane. I had a thing I taught my students that they should leave their arms crossed touching their shoulders before they left the plane that way they were less likely to grab stuff.
In addition there are other things that people don't understand about jumping. Taking people on a Tandem skydive is boring. It is like putting someone in your GT for a passenger ride and driving 10 miles below the speed limit. It is a great accomplishment make no mistake but it is just a job to the tandem instructor. The other thing is you are trying to get everyone out of the plane in one "pass" because going on a second pass uses more fuel which costs more money. The longer someone is jerking around in the door the less likely the "spot" is going to be right for the people behind you.
I have no problem with anything about the exit. The straps being loose was wrong......and people have fallen out of a harness before and died. It just did not end up on Youtube. Believe it or not I have seen worse/scarier video than that. I saw video of a guy....who lived......who lost altitude awareness and opened up so close to the ground you could see the parachute opening in a shadow on the ground right before he hit the ground. He broke both legs.
Skydiving can be very safe if it is done properly. I have over 3,300 and never had any issues and my wife has over 250. It is all in how you approach it, which is how most things are in life. :cheers
I rode the airplane down with students who changed their mind 3 or 4 times and I got paid for the jump. There is no incentive for me to push someone out of the plane. However the exit was completely normal on that jump. People grab the side of the door when getting ready to exit all the time. I can't tell you how many times I had that happen and yelled in the persons ear "Do you want to go??" and they would reply yes and I would have to say "Then let go of the F#$*ing door!!" They don't even remember doing it until they see it on video. The problem was how loose the harness was. I also can tell you I had multiple times that people asked me to LOOSEN the harness because it was too tight. I would kindly explain to them it would not feel too tight once we left the plane. I had a thing I taught my students that they should leave their arms crossed touching their shoulders before they left the plane that way they were less likely to grab stuff.
In addition there are other things that people don't understand about jumping. Taking people on a Tandem skydive is boring. It is like putting someone in your GT for a passenger ride and driving 10 miles below the speed limit. It is a great accomplishment make no mistake but it is just a job to the tandem instructor. The other thing is you are trying to get everyone out of the plane in one "pass" because going on a second pass uses more fuel which costs more money. The longer someone is jerking around in the door the less likely the "spot" is going to be right for the people behind you.
I have no problem with anything about the exit. The straps being loose was wrong......and people have fallen out of a harness before and died. It just did not end up on Youtube. Believe it or not I have seen worse/scarier video than that. I saw video of a guy....who lived......who lost altitude awareness and opened up so close to the ground you could see the parachute opening in a shadow on the ground right before he hit the ground. He broke both legs.
Skydiving can be very safe if it is done properly. I have over 3,300 and never had any issues and my wife has over 250. It is all in how you approach it, which is how most things are in life. :cheers
...all the more reason to simply return the balking jumper to his/her seat, no? :shrug
BlackICE
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2112
Blue/white 06'
God bless her for not playing the "blame game".
Of course, the gov't officials race in to levy fines.
Of course, the gov't officials race in to levy fines.
FENZO
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Wife & I wanted to go skydive after discussion precipitated by this vid. $500? I had no idea. Spendy ESP since my horn button needs the Shelby treatment.
Wwabbit
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You can only defend one of these positions, not both. The TM failed on several issues and thus jeopardized his life and the passenger's. The only time he was in control of this skydive was when he was in the airplane. He abandoned that as well as his professional demeanor when he forced the exit. Actions like these hurt people, the sport and invite increased regulation. Period.
skyrex
FORD GT OWNER
Unless you were in the plane you have no idea what she was saying to him. Again I have seen and jumped with many people who acted the exact same way in the door....grabbing at the edge of the door etc.. and they whole time are saying they are ready and that they want to go. The actual exit was not the problem. I know this from experience of jumping with over 2,700 students and doing a ton of jumps out of a King Air. People do and say strange things in the airplane. I am not defending the jm at all, just stating some things that recreational jumpers or non-jumping people watching the exit would not know. Have you ever watched a pilot flying jump run?? There is a reason why they need to get the exit moving. The pilot is dealing with interesting things when people are in the door and a camera guy is hanging on the side of the plane. Ask Chip what that does to aero and how the plane bucks when 550 pounds of people and gear suddenly exit the aircraft. We have hung 8 people off of a King Air for formation skydiving (which is common) and all the pilot asks is to get things moving in the door.
Anway the problem was the passenger being improperly attached to the jumpmaster which is completely inexcusable. If she is attached properly and snug to the JM the way she is supposed to be and none of this happens. I could show you thousands of videos of people going through similiar exit procedures.
For years it was standard policy "for comfort" after the parachute had opened to release the hip connectors before landing. I never did this but a lot of the old school guys did....until someone got hurt.
The real point that I am surprised that no one mentioned is this whole thing being a topic for the world at large could have been avoided with two words, camera malfuction, which is what any intelligent person should have said to her about her video before they promptly deleted the footage. But our Youtube society rewards morons with "views". I am just glad she landed safe and is around to see 81.