Photo Radar Scam in Arizona

[GT38]

News article from KFYI News in Phoenix: http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=118695&article=5979459

A flow chart from RedFlex tells operators when to issue violations.
By Bob Bennett - KFYI News
Tuesday, September 8, 2009

(KFYI News) CameraFRAUD, a citizen group opposed to photo enforcement, says they have an operational manual from RedFlex defining what constitutes a violation.

Sean Dow, Chairman of Arizona Citizens Against Photo Radar, says a confidential source supplied a copy of the operations manual used by RedFlex.

The manual contains a flow chart which tells operators when to issue violations. Click here for the flow chart.

The chart shows that drivers with out of country plates, like Canada or Mexico, are exempt from tickets.

Dow says other parts of the manual state that judges, city workers and other city government workers cannot get tickets.

"This is not about safety, it's about money," said Dow.

**KFYI will post the manual in this story as soon as we receive it.**

 

[gtinmyblood]

There is no question that this whole program has always been about how to suck more money out of the public without appearing to have raised taxes. It is a travesty that the government can do this and collect and spend the money without controls. This program should be recognized as the illegal activity of the government that it is.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[HHGT]

One of my real close friends that worked for a Large US Company told me that this existed some time ago. The Systems Integrator Company is based in San Diego and a whistle blower almost got the whole thing canceled. Around my town, they took them all out One year after they were installed.

 

[dbackg]

I know it may be difficult to swallow this suggestion.

But it absolutely works, 100%. Verified and validated by my real good friend, former Maricopa County Asst Prosecuting Attorney.

Gentlemen, register your "daily driver" in your wife's name only.

Women, register your "daily driver" in your husband's name only.

If the ticket is issued in a opposite gender's name, the court cannot prosecute. 99% of the time the court trashes the ticket if it is obvious a different gender vs registration name on the photo radar picture. You may get the photo radar ticket via regular first class slow-mail, but you do not have to respond. I personally just file the ticket in a file.

Also, odds of being served by a process server 1 out of 3. Higher percentage if you live in the city or sister city that the photo radar is issued.

Last, disconnect the front door doorbell and do not answer your front door on Sundays. The court must serve you within 120 days. Generally this happens on the last Sunday before the 120 days is up. Suggestion: take a 4 day weekend that includes Monday.

 

[GT38]

Ford GT owner :thumbsup Jay Leno's comedic remark to Jeremy Clarkson on the set of Top Gear (Season 13, Episode 7), regarding differences between the US and the UK:

"Well, you have these speed cameras here. See, in LA, people would say, 'Why don't you just shoot them out?' In LA, a day doesn't go by that you don't see a Styrofoam cup stuck over the lens of the speed camera."

 

[Empty Pockets]

I know it may be difficult to swallow this suggestion.

But it absolutely works, 100%. Verified and validated by my real good friend, former Maricopa County Asst Prosecuting Attorney.

Gentlemen, register your "daily driver" in your wife's name only.

Women, register your "daily driver" in your husband's name only.

If the ticket is issued in a opposite gender's name, the court cannot prosecute. 99% of the time the court trashes the ticket if it is obvious a different gender vs registration name on the photo radar picture. You may get the photo radar ticket via regular first class slow-mail, but you do not have to respond. I personally just file the ticket in a file.

Also, odds of being served by a process server 1 out of 3. Higher percentage if you live in the city or sister city that the photo radar is issued.

Last, disconnect the front door doorbell and do not answer your front door on Sundays. The court must serve you within 120 days. Generally this happens on the last Sunday before the 120 days is up. Suggestion: take a 4 day weekend that includes Monday.

Too bad the registration game can't be played by SINGLES very easily. We've all heard of the "marriage penality". 'Looks like now there's at least ONE for the "singles" amongst us! :biggrin

 

[Empty Pockets]

http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/news/s...rticle=5979459
"Sorry, the article you are looking for does not exist."

'Looks like the powers that be don't WANT this info getting around!!!!!:lol

 

[soroush]

http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/news/s...rticle=5979459
"Sorry, the article you are looking for does not exist."

'Looks like the powers that be don't WANT this info getting around!!!!!:lol

it worked for me:confused

 

[Empty Pockets]

it worked for me:confused

Hmmmmmm. I just tried it again, and THIS time I got: "not found - Error 404"

?????????????????????????????


Edit: Hit the link AGAIN and it went back to the "duzzunt exist" business.

 

[Armrer]

I live in Tucson and we have those street cameras here too. Funny thing, my daily driver is a late model, police-spec white Tahoe interceptor that is identical to the Gang Unit unmarked Tahoes here. I occasionally 'see the flash' but have never received a ticket.

Come to think of it, never seen any 'road rage' either. Cops just wave..

 

[Ed Sims]

intersection cameras

I know that in CA when intersection cameras are installed for red light violations that the amber light time is always reduced. Otherwise, the fines won't be enough to pay for the cameras, etc. Safety is not number one - the dollar is number one!

Ed

 

[Empty Pockets]

I know that in CA when intersection cameras are installed for red light violations that the amber light time is always reduced.

Ed

That's pbly THEEEEEE "red flag" right there. That lil' factoid alone should prove to any rational person $$$$$$$$ are the REAL driving force behind these robo cops. Cutting the duration of "yellows" is pretty much a standard tactic A-N-Y-W-H-E-R-E these things are installed in any state in the counrty.

 

[Piccola]

Too bad the registration game can't be played by SINGLES very easily. We've all heard of the "marriage penality". 'Looks like now there's at least ONE for the "singles" amongst us! :biggrin

It's actually easy for singles, because you don't have to worry about someone else answering the door for you or calling out your name and busting you. I don't answer the door if I don't know who it is. I am always aware of who is hanging around, and if someone is near my apt or looks like they are watching me or if they are just standing around and I don't recognize them, I simply walk right past my door. If someone did approach me as I was leaving my apt and asked if I was "me", I could simply say that she is not here and I am house-sitting for her.

There was an article in the paper yesterday in addition to the one in this thread on the front page of "The Arizona Republic" basically saying that only 25% of people pay their tickets, and they really only come after people who have 15+ outstanding tickets (100-600 people). They are not going to come after people outside the state, because it would cost them more to send someone to serve that person than the ticket (unless that person has like 50 tickets). You can also put down your visor to partially hide your face. If they cannot identify the driver as the same person on your driver's license, they can't make you pay.

Plus, if you do get served, you can always take it to court and discuss that your actions were safer than the alternative (i.e., having to slam on the brakes at a yellow light is likely to have the person close behind you slam into you). A judge is not going to make you pay a ticket for taking actions that make you a safe driver.

 

[Fast Freddy]

if you have a "commercial business" plate you will not get mailed any tickets. this type of plate starts with the letters "CB" followed by a series of #'s. you can get a LLC in Arizona for $100. go to DMV and get new plates. you are now exempt from recieving photo radar tickets in the mail. problem solved......

 

[Empty Pockets]

if you have a "commercial business" plate you will not get mailed any tickets. this type of plate starts with the letters "CB" followed by a series of #'s. you can get a LLC in Arizona for $100. go to DMV and get new plates. you are now exempt from recieving photo radar tickets in the mail. problem solved......

...so much for the "equal protection" clause...

 

[GT38]

...so much for the "equal protection" clause...

This is the part that is most troubling -

Dow says other parts of the manual state that judges, city workers and other city government workers cannot get tickets.

It's straight out of George Orwell's Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

 

[Empty Pockets]

This is the part that is most troubling -



It's straight out of George Orwell's Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

'Same basic principle applies to the "front plate" requirement. Motorcycles, ATV's, farm vehicles, car dealers, certain classic cars, and people using "trip permits" are exempt. 'Far as I'm concerned (and 'far the CONSTITUTION is concerned) - SO ARE THE REST OF US.

 

[GT 1547]

if you have a "commercial business" plate you will not get mailed any tickets. this type of plate starts with the letters "CB" followed by a series of #'s. you can get a LLC in Arizona for $100. go to DMV and get new plates. you are now exempt from recieving photo radar tickets in the mail. problem solved......

I have to take my son to the Mayo clinic in Scottsdale at least once a year.
We were there in February driving my wifes Cayenne Turbo which is registered to my company. I received a form in the mail with my photo and license plate shown. This form was requesting driver info so they could send me a ticket (yeah right). I live in Utah so it went in the round file. No repercussions so far.

 

[GT38]

I have to take my son to the Mayo clinic in Scottsdale at least once a year.
We were there in February driving my wifes Cayenne Turbo which is registered to my company. I received a form in the mail with my photo and license plate shown. This form was requesting driver info so they could send me a ticket (yeah right). I live in Utah so it went in the round file. No repercussions so far.

At some point in the past (a year ago?) they didn't cite non-Arizona plates, but according to the chart in post #1, they do now. The reason previously given for not citing out of state plates was that there was no mechanism for delivering the citation - I presume they meant the process server. I don't know how they handle that now...maybe someone on the Forum knows.

 

[Empty Pockets]

I live in Tucson and we have those street cameras here too. Funny thing, my daily driver is a late model, police-spec white Tahoe interceptor that is identical to the Gang Unit unmarked Tahoes here. I occasionally 'see the flash' but have never received a ticket.

Come to think of it, never seen any 'road rage' either. Cops just wave..

I would THINK the personnel who process the photos would would automatically run the plate anyhow. IOW, I can't see how they'd have memorized the plates of every U/C LEO wagon around. And if they DID - they shudda known your rig izzunt wunna "theirs" anyway.

Now, the road rage thing I can see! :lol