New McLaren - saw one up close in person.


jaxgt

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Just actually got to see the new Mclaren up close and personal yesterday. I have been pretty impressed from what I read about them, with the various magazines describing some impressive engineering, race bred technology and impressive stats.

They had one in Tampa for a private event that I heard of at the last moment. Fortuitously, I was in Tampa for a meeting so quite lucky.

I had read several reviews saying the car was technologically superior to most, but it's styling left some reviewers flat. Now styling is completely subjective, but I have to say in person, I really liked it. While it is not as timeless to me as the GT, I would not call it 'duller' than the Ferrari 458, as some writers have. It has a real purpose built techie feel to it. I sat in a F458 a few weeks ago and found it a bit more ornate, with some exterior styling that seemed a bit frilly, or in my mind a little more likely to become dated over time. Mind you I would love to have a F458, so it's not a criticism. I think in the flesh, the MP4-12c is every bit as exotic and maybe even a bit cooler for engineering types. The upswing doors are neat and to me preferable to the new Gullwings'.

The interior was very nice, and fortunately for this 6'5" driver, sufficiently spacious. Had about the same legroom as the GT, quite a bit more head room, and the seat bolster/back was much more comfortable for me. It may be a bit tight if I were to wear a helmet, as about 2" over my head of room, but I'm sure it would work. With the carbon fiber upgrades in the demo car, and upgraded interior, it was very nice, kind of space age feeling, and certainly not lacking. Maybe not quite as glamorous or "Italian" inside as the 458, but a bit more decorative than the GT. I think a nice feeling overall.

The Mclaren folks on hand spent more than 45min going over all the cool stuff the car had. They were great and very helpful. Remarkably, there were only about 10 people at the event, not counting the 4 or so folks from McLaren, and the handful of folks from Dew Motorcars, the Tampa McLaren dealer. As an aside, of course, in the hour I was there, with more people working the private ballroom than guests, not one person from Dew even approached me to say hello or ask me if I was interested in the car. Kind of reminded me of Ferrari's notoriously snotty sales folks during the booming economy. Ironically, around then the McLaren guy asked me if I had ordered a car or was seriously thinking about it. I told him I was working with someone clear across the country in California because I gave up trying to order one from my closest dealer, Dew Motorcars, in Tampa. In March I had called their sales manager three times and emailed him twice with no more than 1 brief voice mail back after hours. I then called him two more times and he never called me back. The McLaren folks were shocked and actually wrote it all down. Pretty funny with the sales guys from Dew maintaining their lousy sales skills and not even approaching me in the hour I was there.

All in all I think it will be a great car. The base is around $230k, and the options are plentiful and pricey. Probably hard to get out of there without getting in at around $275 sticker.
 
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...not one person from Dew even approached me to say hello or ask me if I was interested in the car. Kind of reminded me of Ferrari's notoriously snotty sales folks during the booming economy...

...In March I had called their sales manager three times and emailed him twice with no more than 1 brief voice mail back after hours. I then called him two more times and he never called me back. The McLaren folks were shocked and actually wrote it all down. Pretty funny with the sales guys from Dew maintaining their lousy sales skills and not even approaching me in the hour I was there...

I guess that dealers are trying to emulate the Ferrari sales people as to replicate Ferrari's success. :thumbsdow

Nice writeup in spite of the bad news of more Ferrari like sales antics.
 
That's pretty funny Clinton. Didn't think of that angle. I sort of hope they adapt a more technie or race following, rather than folks who wear sneakers and sweat suits that match their car.
 
Maybe the Dew people were there to learn about the car and not to sell cars?????
 
That's pretty funny Clinton. Didn't think of that angle. I sort of hope they adapt a more technie or race following, rather than folks who wear sneakers and sweat suits that match their car.

Never seen a Mclaren in person, but l've seen a F458 at Mojave. It looked real nice. However I doubt it I will ever own one for two reasons. One is the purchase price is just an initiation fee or sales qualifier, the real cost of ownership starts after the purchase due to the high depreciation rate and maintenance costs. The second thing is I cannot bring myself to brown nose a Ferrari dealer to get a car. Even BMW sales people try to act nice and return your calls.
 
Maybe the Dew people were there to learn about the car and not to sell cars?????
It was a special event Dew motorcars, along with McLaren, were actually hosting to introduce the McLaren to folks with the hopes of buying/ordering. It wasn't for them to learn about the car. I learned of it from Mclaren directly. I think Clinton hit it on the head. I told the McLaren team I'd rather order it from someone helpful across country than them after my experience trying to get them to even talk to me about a $250,000 car. Nuts. Maybe if I had a "mullet" they'd think I was a rock star or 230mph race car driver or something :)
 
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Never seen a Mclaren in person, but l've seen a F458 at Mojave. It looked real nice. However I doubt it I will ever own one for two reasons. One is the purchase price is just an initiation fee or sales qualifier, the real cost of ownership starts after the purchase due to the high depreciation rate and maintenance costs. The second thing is I cannot bring myself to brown nose a Ferrari dealer to get a car. Even BMW sales people try to act nice and return your calls.

Agree completely. Certainly makes me wonder how the MP4-12c will hold up in value ? Hard to beat the GT in that arena as well.
 
It was a special event Dew motorcars, along with McLaren, were actually hosting to introduce the McLaren to folks with the hopes of buying/ordering. It wasn't for them to learn about the car. I learned of it from Mclaren directly. I think Clinton hit it on the head. I told the McLaren team I'd rather order it from someone helpful across country than them after my experience trying to get them to even talk to me about a $250,000 car. Nuts. Maybe if I had a "mullet" they'd think I was a rock star or 230mph race car driver or something :)

Touché

Well, the haircut does have perks. Lol
 
Agree completely. Certainly makes me wonder how the MP4-12c will hold up in value ? Hard to beat the GT in that arena as well.

If they keep making them (for more than a couple years) they won't hold value like a GT does.
 
How many do they plan to produce ?
 
If they keep making them (for more than a couple years) they won't hold value like a GT does.

:agree:

If McLaren goes bankrupt the cars will retain more value and may even go up. If they succeed and keep builting better and more cars the value will drop.
 
Not sure on total production. Supposedly 300 going to US in first year, with a total of 1000 worldwide (for year 1), but never know.

Also, no idea what years 2 and on will bring. I suspect that will in part determine how well they hold up $$ wise. Also, if in 2 years they release a major upgrade, akin to Ferrari going from the 430 to the 458, I would hate to be left holding the 'old' McLaren.
 
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If they only build 1000 a year and people like them they should do fairly well on resale.
 
I wonder how many 458s Ferrari builds a year?
 
I wonder how many 458s Ferrari builds a year?

Per the Ferrari business model, they will build one less than they can sell.
 
I think that mclaren has the capacity to build 1000 cars a year. Having said that I also got the impression that more models are coming and will share the production line for a total of 1000 road cars a year.
 
I'd rather order it from someone helpful across country than them after my experience trying to get them to even talk to me about a $250,000 car. Nuts. :)

The second thing is I cannot bring myself to brown nose a Ferrari dealer to get a car.


There is NO CAR on the planet (or any other item) that's sooooooo magnificent that I'd put up with that sort of treatment in order to own one. 'Dead serious. The customer is king, not any particular dealership/business or its employees. Businesses are NOT doing their customers a favor by 'allowing' them the 'opportunity' to buy from them - it's the other way around.

Buuuuuut, Pockets has a 'problem' with arrogant, elitist snobs anyway...which is the only flaw in my otherwise perfect personality.



Shuddup.
 
jaxgt - will you get one? I feel they are spectacular on driving but not head turning mouth dropping looks like the GT. I hear the exhaust note is not exciting either. Techno-wise they are fabulous though. They hope to produce enough units to not let it be a collector car. Oh well.

Ed
 
I like this quote from the March 2011 Top Gear regarding the MP4-12C: "...it's a masterpiece of industrial design"
Not exciting to me. Function over esthetics? Perhaps.
Open the rear deck lid to view the amazing... intake manifold. Where's the engine? I want to see headers. I want valve covers. I guess it's better than the little plexiglass window in a ZR-1 hood.
The interior is bland or according to Top Gear "unfussy". I love the doors!

Ed

PS Ferrari's V8 program (Baby Ferrari) is always 20,000+ units per model. They are the entry level model into the Ferrari world. The 458 is slightly more exciting to me than the 12C (I liked the 430 looks better).
 
so where's the pic?