FikseGTS
GT Owner
performance wise, can the GT with pulley and tune hang with a ZR1? I have a friend with one, maybe we'll give it a try.....
Ford Gt vs ZR1
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GTdrummer
GT Owner
"FBA". Thought your response in general a bit rougher than what we are use to around here.
But, anyway, as to fit/ finish I have owned every Gen Viper-- a total of 7 over 18 years and -an 09and 10. Maybe you got a perfect one but no way my Vipers have had near the quality of fit/finish of my 3 GTs. In fact it is common knowledge (and dealers have complained a bunch ) that the paint on Vipers staring with Gen 3 has been a real problem and a bunch of 10s look liked they were buffed at the local car wash.
But, anyway, as to fit/ finish I have owned every Gen Viper-- a total of 7 over 18 years and -an 09and 10. Maybe you got a perfect one but no way my Vipers have had near the quality of fit/finish of my 3 GTs. In fact it is common knowledge (and dealers have complained a bunch ) that the paint on Vipers staring with Gen 3 has been a real problem and a bunch of 10s look liked they were buffed at the local car wash.
If it's not hot out, a pulley tune GT should whup it. GT slows down big time as you move up past 80 degrees. If it's 100 forget it. There's a bunch of us that have gone 133-136 with the pulley and tune, and I don't recall ever seeing a stock ZR-1 over 131 unless somewhere Ranger or Jamie made a bunch of negative D/A passes.
I had an 04 Viper Mamba which was almost flawless......problems began when DC started to shutter the Plants and moral was very low and there was pressure to meet deadlines......the 2010 models were an after thought and many of the seasoned/experienced employees had already left (many took their severance packages). I have to say my 09 came out nice.
Sinovac
GT Owner
One of the things that keeps me from getting a Corvette is my fear of getting poisoned by the fumes of whatever industrial strength adhesive is being used to glue the interior together. I've never experienced something like this in any other car. GM must have sourced the stuff from Union Carbide.
Oh, and the other thing is, it's a GM. All kidding aside, the Corvette is a great car. I'll take a Milennium yellow Z06 with titanium finished wheels please.
Oh, and the other thing is, it's a GM. All kidding aside, the Corvette is a great car. I'll take a Milennium yellow Z06 with titanium finished wheels please.
My Z06 always had a film on the windshield from the aforementioned industrial strength adhesive evaporating in the heat. Maybe it was just the dash material, but whatever it was it would slowly develop that grime layer. Alot of cars do that though.
As far as ZR1 being a collectible, I doubt it. They've built quite a few, you can get alot of the same goodies on the Z06 now, the engine has a lot of commonality with others in the family, and, most importantly, it will get replaced by something faster (and if they're smart, alot better looking with no "advanced polycarbonate" hood windows). The original ZR1 had a much wackier motor that made a great noise and was very high tech for the time, and they trade routinely in the low $30k range. As far as opinions between the two, Jamie's word is gold for me. Either way, anyone who supplemented a GT with a ZR1 would be a happy man. Anyone would traded a GT for a ZR1 even with the accompanying pile of cash would likely live to regret it.
I've had a couple Corvettes. Fun cars, but essentially no chance I will ever own another GM.
As far as ZR1 being a collectible, I doubt it. They've built quite a few, you can get alot of the same goodies on the Z06 now, the engine has a lot of commonality with others in the family, and, most importantly, it will get replaced by something faster (and if they're smart, alot better looking with no "advanced polycarbonate" hood windows). The original ZR1 had a much wackier motor that made a great noise and was very high tech for the time, and they trade routinely in the low $30k range. As far as opinions between the two, Jamie's word is gold for me. Either way, anyone who supplemented a GT with a ZR1 would be a happy man. Anyone would traded a GT for a ZR1 even with the accompanying pile of cash would likely live to regret it.
I've had a couple Corvettes. Fun cars, but essentially no chance I will ever own another GM.
All I can say is not even close!!!
ZR -1's are a dime a dozen and look so much like the regular vette.
ZR -1's are a dime a dozen and look so much like the regular vette.
I can't offer an opinion. The last Corvette I drove was an L88 back in '67 or '68. Fun car, gobs of power.
I have owned many of each car we are talking about here. Z06 clutch sucks. Almost every one I have had come through here, the clutch fluid is completely black, rear end pops like crazy when you turn slowly, paint has major orange peal, interior gets a white residue if you don't wipe it down every 3 or 4 weeks, seat bolsters look like total crap after 5k miles, etc. Now, none of the above complaints mean I don't like or enjoy a Z06. They are a lot of car for the Money. I enjoy some of the newer GT500 mustangs, newer Camaros, etc, but I am not gonna start comparing them to the GT. You can't, just as in my opinion, you can't compare a ZR1 to a GT. They are not in the same class. End of story!
FBA
GT Owner
BTW, my VVO viper really does have a better (especially) fit and finish than my GT, and that's about the only aspect of the GT I'll compare...as the GT certainly stands on its own.
The Z06 is a great product that can easily compete with most of these elite cars around today...no it's not a GT, but it's certainly in a league of it's own. It also wasn't 150k in 2006 either. It was about 1/2 the price of the GT if I recall. For that price, there isn't another car I can think of that will do what a Z will...even if it is just another Corvette.
GTdrummer
GT Owner
You will NEVER hear me denegrate a Vette , Viper or GT. I grew up on Vettes and have owned a bunch. Best bang for the buck--PERIOD. Orange peel---yep--the one consistent bow tie feature-all mine had it. Nanny lights coming on all the time, etc.
The Vipers are the most bullet proof cars I have ever owned including GTs--7 of them 150,000 and nothing but oil changes--may as well be an Accord.
I flew to Detroit and drove one of the first ZR1s of the new vintage due to a friend very high up at GM . I was blown away at the time--still not wild about looks etc.
The GT IMO is in a totally different class of car. One of my good friends who is a long time Viper vendor and is basically Mr Viper, when I told him I was buying a GT way back said "you are about to be spoiled."
When I think about these cars one quote from one of the Ford guys (maybe Neil) always comes back to mind, "we could have made it (GT) for $100,000, but you wouldn't have liked it near as much."
The Vipers are the most bullet proof cars I have ever owned including GTs--7 of them 150,000 and nothing but oil changes--may as well be an Accord.
I flew to Detroit and drove one of the first ZR1s of the new vintage due to a friend very high up at GM . I was blown away at the time--still not wild about looks etc.
The GT IMO is in a totally different class of car. One of my good friends who is a long time Viper vendor and is basically Mr Viper, when I told him I was buying a GT way back said "you are about to be spoiled."
When I think about these cars one quote from one of the Ford guys (maybe Neil) always comes back to mind, "we could have made it (GT) for $100,000, but you wouldn't have liked it near as much."
ONLY DRIVING THEM!!
The truth is ,they are both wonderful cars .Enjoy what ever is your preference. Or if you are lucky enough both of them.
GTdrummer
GT Owner
Kingman
GT Owner
It is quite simple , if GM and Dodge want to make supercars like the GT they only have to do a few things
1) Stop making their cars every year in mass produvtion
2) Go to a mid engine design
3) Change the car shape so it looks like something new , not the same look every year
4) 200 mph off the production line , no mods
5) This one is the hardest , go out and make a legacy and win some major races when all odds are against you so the car you produce is a remembrance of a legend
Anyone can build a 600hp production car and say it can beat the GT , so what , my buddy at work says his new cadillac can beat the GT , I say to him you just paid over 100K for that car and when you take it out of the garage no one cares except you , I hate to say it but when I see a ZR1 or a Z06 go by it means nothing to me , nice cars and well engineered but lacking the supercar status
1) Stop making their cars every year in mass produvtion
2) Go to a mid engine design
3) Change the car shape so it looks like something new , not the same look every year
4) 200 mph off the production line , no mods
5) This one is the hardest , go out and make a legacy and win some major races when all odds are against you so the car you produce is a remembrance of a legend
Anyone can build a 600hp production car and say it can beat the GT , so what , my buddy at work says his new cadillac can beat the GT , I say to him you just paid over 100K for that car and when you take it out of the garage no one cares except you , I hate to say it but when I see a ZR1 or a Z06 go by it means nothing to me , nice cars and well engineered but lacking the supercar status
The Corvette C5R's and C6R's have amassed a very good racing record - I wouldn't put them down!
Sinovac
GT Owner
They dominated GT1 in ALMS. They are struggling since moving to GT2, but once the cars are sorted they should do well. I love watching them at Sebring.
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I think they've done O. K. given the circumstances. What other manufacturer can give you Viper and Vette performance numbers at their respective prices ?
1. It's business, they've got to employ people and keep the lights on, halo cars don't generate profits.
2. They've got some pretty talented engineers to be able to get that kinds of HP from pushrod engines, and be able to balance the car with front mounted engines.
3. The 911 have 22 variations, they all look the same in grandma's eyes.
4. 198MPH for the ZO6 (published), so they're getting there, maybe they are there but just bluffing the insurance companies :biggrin.
5. I think the Vette racing team is already in the history books (ALMS, 24 Heures du Mans and 12 hours Sebrings). They have also attracted some notable drivers such as Ron Fellows, Johnny O'Connell, Max Papis, Oliver Gavin, Olivier Beretta. and Jan Magnussen. :cheers
1. It's business, they've got to employ people and keep the lights on, halo cars don't generate profits.
2. They've got some pretty talented engineers to be able to get that kinds of HP from pushrod engines, and be able to balance the car with front mounted engines.
3. The 911 have 22 variations, they all look the same in grandma's eyes.
4. 198MPH for the ZO6 (published), so they're getting there, maybe they are there but just bluffing the insurance companies :biggrin.
5. I think the Vette racing team is already in the history books (ALMS, 24 Heures du Mans and 12 hours Sebrings). They have also attracted some notable drivers such as Ron Fellows, Johnny O'Connell, Max Papis, Oliver Gavin, Olivier Beretta. and Jan Magnussen. :cheers