Example of the value of Launch Control


Kirby Vieira

GT Owner/B.o.D
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Sep 22, 2005
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Sports Car Market Magazine recently tested the Nissan (TT V6) GT-R in Japan and posted these numbers:

Without Launch Control

0-60 4.0
1/4 12.3 @ 120.6


With Launch Control (4500 rpm)

0-60 3.3
1/4 11.6 @ 120.9
 
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I hear you... but...

I did not buy my GT for the numbers. I couldn't care less if it does 0-60 in 3.3, 3.5 or 4.2.

The numbers are for bragging rights at the pub...

I hate all the nannification of today's sports cars...
 
I couldn't agree more with Matteo
 
Okay, just to be "contrary"; I don't MIND if a car has nannies aboard. 'No big deal as long as they can be shut off. That way one can have the best of EITHER world anytime one chooses.

I don't think the presence of nannies would deter me from buying any car - exotic, or you name it.

'Just MHO.
 
I remember when I bought my car, Galpin was going to store it for me for the 1st two weeks as the day I bought it was the day before we left for Mauii for two weeks.... The GM said go take it for a drive... I said, I know it's going to drive fine and I already paid for her... I'm not worried how its going to handle...

They insisted, so we went for a drive.... I didn't want to leave for Hawaii the next day...:rofl
 
Okay, just to be "contrary"; I don't MIND if a car has nannies aboard. 'No big deal as long as they can be shut off. That way one can have the best of EITHER world anytime one chooses.

I don't think the presence of nannies would deter me from buying any car - exotic, or you name it.

'Just MHO.

Larry

you can switch off the TC. But you can do squat with active suspension and all the other electronic gizmos they are introducing.

I am nuts about Porsches, but my most recent 911 is a 1997 C2. Yes the 996/997 are faster around a racetrack and there is no comparison performance wise... but the "feel" is totally different. You need to get into a GT3 to get back some of that raw experience a 993 treats you to.

And a 993 is a pig compared to an early 70's 911.

Drive a 73/74 RSR and you are in sports car nirvana.

The Ford GT brings back those sensations...

So if you could swith off EVERYTHING then I would agree with you.

I want to drive the Scuderia as apparently you can turn the manettino off....

Then again the gearchange is a paddle behind the wheel....

I lapped the Ring in 7:00:00 on my PS2.....:wink
 
"I want to drive the Scuderia as apparently you can turn the manettino off...."


I thought the new Ferraris had an "off" switch ( on the 'wheel) for everything. Not so???
 
That off switch is the manettino in off position.... I am not sure what happens to the active suspensions and etc... To be really honest I am not a real expert on Ferraris.

The PASM cannot be switched off in the 997 GT3 RS...
 
911teo;1037To be really honest I am not a real expert on Ferraris.[/QUOTE said:
Well, I'm not either! :lol

But, it seems to me that the switch setup on the steering wheel does have an on/off switch(es) feature for it all.

Sometime I'll just Google it & find out!:biggrin
 
Launch control and traction control are 2 different things. To have launch control, dont you have to have an auto or an SMG type gearbox? I have not seen launch control on a manual tranny car. I can't stand traction control. I agree with Pockets though, I don't mind if a car has it as long as it can be turn completely off.
 
traction control is for girls......
 
traction control is for girls......

That's why I don't let the wife drive the GT.
 
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They insisted, so we went for a drive.... I didn't want to leave for Hawaii the next day...:rofl

Yeah, but I'm sure your wife was glad you did.
 
Okay, just to be "contrary"; I don't MIND if a car has nannies aboard. 'No big deal as long as they can be shut off. That way one can have the best of EITHER world anytime one chooses.

I don't think the presence of nannies would deter me from buying any car - exotic, or you name it.

'Just MHO.

I AGREE COMPLETELY!
 
This Nissan GTR is quite impressive, traction control or not.

It currently has claimed the second fastest time at Nurburgring for a production car at 7:38, only the Carrera GT has a faster time. (But I have read that the new 911 GT2 has run a 7:32)

The stock GT time was 7:39 ?.

However, I have also read that Porsche's own GT3, without all the nannies the GT2 has, and a bit slower, is MUCH more fun to drive.

I'd venture to echo that about the Nissan as it is very competent and forgiving with all the nannies and All-Wheel drive, but not nearly as fun (or on THE EDGE) as our GTs, stock or modified.

And I can't get over the Nissan looking like a gussied up Z. It just looks ordinary.:confused
 
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To have launch control, dont you have to have an auto or an SMG type gearbox?

Not an auto, but specifically an SMG/F1 box. Launch control modulates engine RPM and clutch slippage to optimize launch...something that cannot be done with a torque converter or a manual clutch.
 
Yeah, but I'm sure your wife was glad you did.

She was and so was I...:cheers
 
To me the GT-R is like a Super EVO/STI.

There's no denying the pure traction advantages of AWD, and combined with SMG, launch control, active suspension, etc., etc. you end up with an easy-to-drive car that can pull great numbers. Ten years ago I had a modified Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo that could pull zero-to-60 in 5.0 seconds without a thought (and that car at least had three pedals in the footwell...). It was also cumbersome and flaccid when it came time to change direction.

But as pointed out by several folks already, great numbers and great driving experiences don't necessarily correlate. I think of it this way -- if you're going to put me in a situation where lap times and/or finishing position earns me money then I'll take every advantage I can get.

But no one is sponsoring me. No one is paying for my track time or roll cage or fire system, so lap times and checkered flags mean nothing to me. The bulk of my driving is on Mulholland, route 33, and other twisty sedtions of Southern California public asphalt. On these roads the AWD and electronic nannies only dilute the experience.

The Ford GT is as pure as it gets in a 21st Century sports car. By 2012 every car sold in this country is going to have stability control. Of course one of the reasons they stopped making the GT in 2006 was the increased side impact standards for 2007 and beyond.

Car design (even sports car design) is being driven by lawyers and the lowest common denominator in driver skill. Technology means the numbers will keep getting better, but not necessarily the thrill behind the wheel.
 
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This new Nissan looks like a great car actually, certainly a great suppliment, but never a replacement. Just like my 997 Twin Turbo, great all year round car, but I would never replace my GT with it. The GT is not meant to be a primary vehicle in my opinion, and shouldn't be used as such.
 
Agree

QUOTE: I am nuts about Porsches, but my most recent 911 is a 1997 C2. Yes the 996/997 are faster around a racetrack and there is no comparison performance wise... but the "feel" is totally different. You need to get into a GT3 to get back some of that raw experience a 993 treats you to.
And a 993 is a pig compared to an early 70's 911.
Drive a 73/74 RSR and you are in sports car nirvana. by TEO.
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Double ditto's Teo! I agree completely. My latest Porsche is a 993/C2 - I love that car and so do my kids. We've all spent many track week-ends accumulating thousands of trouble free miles. The best driving experience is my 1974S - with a 3.0 motor. The most Porsche-like experience is my 1973RS 2.7 (very close clone). The 1987 wide-body with the G50 box is the bees knees! :thumbsup. But nothing beats the Ford GT for class, presence and "feel".

As for traction control, as long as it's switchable on/off I'm okay with it. I had a student that nearly creamed Daddy's new F430 Stradale as Daddy insisted she drive with all "aids" off. :eek Not ready for prime time for sure.

Just my Boxing Day 2 cents worth...(and that's probably all it's worth!)

Gordo.