Got to spend time on track with a friend in his MAC 675LT. We did some pretty aggressive laps and all I can tell you is if the new GT is anything like this benchmark, WOW! :eek
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Hi Kevin,
the 4.0 Andretti A at Spring Mountain. We still need to have you come visit sometime! :thumbsup
the 4.0 Andretti A at Spring Mountain. We still need to have you come visit sometime! :thumbsup
Yeah, it looks awesome, he speced it with the slotted fenders and race seats too.
Spent some time in a new GT3RS too and now even more than I can stand it, I am dying to ride in a new GT. I am hoping they will be doing hot laps at the Rally. :thumbsup
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The 675LT gives way to the 720S which will be better in every category. If you like the old 675LT the new 720S will blow you away! However, the looks & the fact that the NGT is a street legal race car will kill any Mac in my book! Ford really went over the top in racing & producing street versions of the NGT!
Ed
Ed
Go read the reviews. Quite a bit of arguing on the mac forum over some negative 720S reviews. My thing is that you have to approach the 720S for what it is, an extremely fast, daily driver capable road car, not a hardcore specialty version. So if it's got a bit more Turbo S than GT3 RS, that should be expected. They are trying to sell the 720S to the masses. LT is the hardcore version. Some of the reviewers are saying the 720S is really fast but boring, but that's because they've (perhaps) errantly gone in expecting a much more savage experience than they should for a regular production car.
I am skeptical that a 720S will be more entertaining than a 675LT. The LT is already savagely fast. I wouldn't put anything under $500k a close second to the LT in straight line speed. It will already murder the big Italian V12s, so more speed isn't what it needs. A 12C was stupid fast when it had 616 hp. The LT is electrifying from behind the wheel compared to the 650S, and the 720S is a supplants the 650S, not the LT.
There is no 'soft' version of the GT. They are all hardcore, so I would expect the reviews of the car to reflect that it is a specialty machine with no concessions to the daily driver exotic market down to it's core.
While I'm sure the 720 is fast as hell, I am just not digging the styling. I don't like the rear view or the new headlights. For pure looks, which is completely subjective, I like the 650/675 most in the McLaren lineup.
That being said, none hold a candle to the new GT's over the top race purpose vibe and provenance.
That being said, none hold a candle to the new GT's over the top race purpose vibe and provenance.
Dave - any idea of the wet weights of the NFGT versus the 675LT and the 720S. Frankly speaking, I don't expect buyers of the NFGT to be cross-shopping with anything.... but if they were, the MACs would seem to be a primary consideration. It would be great to see the NFGT side by side with a Mac... aesthetically, it's hard to prefer ANYTHING over the NFGT but the Mac seems to look smaller and "tidier" in comparison. If true, I would expect the Mac to be marginally lighter as well?
ENZO BTR
GT Owner
It's going to be highly dependent on options. The 675LT I had weighed 3075 wet. I expect my GT as ordered to be 32XX.
I have stood in front of both cars together. Any previous gen Super Series car is going to look like a giant boat next to the GT. Even when the GT is in the raised ride height, it's over 3" lower. When you drop it, the GT is 5+ inches lower, and it's always over 3" wider. Looks like a surfboard next to the Mac, which looks pretty small when it's sitting in a parking lot on its own.
I have stood in front of both cars together. Any previous gen Super Series car is going to look like a giant boat next to the GT. Even when the GT is in the raised ride height, it's over 3" lower. When you drop it, the GT is 5+ inches lower, and it's always over 3" wider. Looks like a surfboard next to the Mac, which looks pretty small when it's sitting in a parking lot on its own.
Xcentric
GT Owner
Remarkably similar wheel designs. Black wheels need black lug nuts. Faces blurred to protect the the guys playing pocket pool.
Sinovac
GT Owner
texas mongrel
GT Owner
The LT version of the 720 will come. McLaren has a very aggressive production goal, so their strategy will always be "stack'em deep and sell'em cheap". This will include endless 'limited edition' types, such as an LT version. Wait a year or so and 720s will be selling cheap in the used market simply because McLaren has to meet its production goals to keep its shareholders happy, so new cars will be easily available, thus devaluing the used ones. The new reviews are interesting, comparable to the 12c reviews back in 2012 - great car, but lacking in engagement. When I bought into the McLaren family they were at the top of their game and early adopters like myself couldn't care less about reviews, the car was a technical tour de force that slayed everything else on track Now, the fan base has shifted towards the gold chain and chest wig crowd, and McLaren's name is close to being a laughing stock in the F1 fraternity, oh how times have changed!
Give me a raw, balls-out race car for the street please, at least with the GT you know exactly what to expect!
Give me a raw, balls-out race car for the street please, at least with the GT you know exactly what to expect!
My observation was that the 675LT, (and the GT3RS) feel more like a real race car than many of the other street legal GT cars I have experienced. My take is the new FGT will be absolutely incredible being a direct link to the race car.
Tires have made pretty good cars really good and computers keeping things in check make for fast laps without as much talent. The LT was was blazing fast in a straight line and amazingly flat through the turns which was very interesting to me. I felt a similar thing with the GT3RS. I think I would have a hard time to really discern the difference between a 675LT and a 720s -except for magazine claims or a stop watch, I bet they will be hard to tell apart from the seat of the pants. These cars are getting amazingly capable and the minute differences can sometimes be attributed just to the tires.
I haven't felt this close to a race car before even in current Porsche GT3s and R8s, GTRs, etc. Most sport cars, including the newer Corvettes, feel like you have to let the car roll over center until in settles on the bump stops and then they are pretty good. The issue is in transition going from side to side quickly when all of a sudden you really feel the weight of the car no matter how good the tires are. The fact that the LT was very good in transition got me really excited about the new GT. A high power car will make up a lot of time in straight line on laps, but that only goes so far and then the car needs to perform in the turns to really pull the lap times down. I can pretty much beat most Corvette Z06 times at SM in a Lotus Elise as long as there aren't too many straights. The Elise we race weighs 1700 but only has 160 hp. I get to 120s in the straights where the LT got to 160+ with driver induced throttle lift...:eek Definite pucker factor into turns at end of straights. The point being is that most of these high end GT cars will be difficult to extract fastest lap times with out some serious driving talent and the risk of making a mistake will take these cars a long way off track with the velocities they can achieve. My bet is driving the new GT on track at 80% will be more like a race car than most have ever experienced before. How exciting is that? :thumbsup
Tires have made pretty good cars really good and computers keeping things in check make for fast laps without as much talent. The LT was was blazing fast in a straight line and amazingly flat through the turns which was very interesting to me. I felt a similar thing with the GT3RS. I think I would have a hard time to really discern the difference between a 675LT and a 720s -except for magazine claims or a stop watch, I bet they will be hard to tell apart from the seat of the pants. These cars are getting amazingly capable and the minute differences can sometimes be attributed just to the tires.
I haven't felt this close to a race car before even in current Porsche GT3s and R8s, GTRs, etc. Most sport cars, including the newer Corvettes, feel like you have to let the car roll over center until in settles on the bump stops and then they are pretty good. The issue is in transition going from side to side quickly when all of a sudden you really feel the weight of the car no matter how good the tires are. The fact that the LT was very good in transition got me really excited about the new GT. A high power car will make up a lot of time in straight line on laps, but that only goes so far and then the car needs to perform in the turns to really pull the lap times down. I can pretty much beat most Corvette Z06 times at SM in a Lotus Elise as long as there aren't too many straights. The Elise we race weighs 1700 but only has 160 hp. I get to 120s in the straights where the LT got to 160+ with driver induced throttle lift...:eek Definite pucker factor into turns at end of straights. The point being is that most of these high end GT cars will be difficult to extract fastest lap times with out some serious driving talent and the risk of making a mistake will take these cars a long way off track with the velocities they can achieve. My bet is driving the new GT on track at 80% will be more like a race car than most have ever experienced before. How exciting is that? :thumbsup
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KennethClay
GT Owner
texas mongrel
GT Owner
True that, the cross-linked hydraulic suspension on the Mac means hardly any roll, just lateral Gs. Ford is using different technology for their suspension, but I imagine it will be a similar experience.