600hp 08 Viper Testing against GT


jamie

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Virginia
GermanO, I was actually off a hair on the 60' time on the Z06 but not much.
Here is the 1/8th mile for the Z06 on its best run.
60' 1.916
330' 4.995
1/8 7.444
mph 102.43

GT
60' 1.939
330' 5.128
1/8 7.624
mph 97.22

But like I said in an earlier post, I think from a roll the GT might have and edge as it picked up 29 mph from 1/8th mile to 1/4, where as the Z06 only picked up 26.6 in the same distance.

So also like I said in an earlier post you can't beat weight from a dead stop!
 

everetto

GT Owner
Sep 4, 2006
186
Desert Southwest
That was 10.85 on DR's not Bone Stock. No Z has run in the 10's Bone Stock. If it doesn't beat my 07Z then I'm not interested in it. I Hope Everetto is right.
You are correct, the 10.85 was on DRs. It was 11.2 on the factory tires, which will still be a tough target to hit!
 

lamboman

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You are correct, the 10.85 was on DRs. It was 11.2 on the factory tires, which will still be a tough target to hit!
So you are saying that the stock '08 Viper has to beat the FASTEST time ever recorded? No...that isn't the way a true comparison test is done. Out of over 30 different Z's that I have seen run, including mine...have yet to see a bone stock hit below 11.7...and many are in the low 12's. Yes..Ranger hit those times. What about the guys who can't crack 12.3 in the Z? You have to look at the mag tests where they run the SAME track, SAME driver, SAME condition. I have all the comparison tests done on the z over the last 2 years. Norm is 11.7-12.0. The '06 Viper is at 11.9- 12.3. I have NEVER lost to a new Z at the strip in one of my bone stock Vipers. Of course..I can run 11.5's all day long, and for some reason..it is MUCH quicker than my other Vipers. Not the norm for a stock SRT. Kinda like Ranger's Z. Yes..the '08 will beat the Z with same driver, same track, same condition. The BD?? Not even a concept at the show yet. After EPA..certification..etc, I will begin to think about it. The short lived run of the Z as king of the hill is over. It was a one year run. History of quickest American cars since '92:
92...Viper
93...Viper
94...Viper
95...Viper
96...Viper
97...Viper
98...Viper
99...Viper
00...Viper
01...Viper
02...Viper
03...Viper
04...Viper
05...FGT
06...FGT
07...Z06 (No FGT or Viper produced)
08...???


I have owned 3 C6 Z's...still have an '07. The '06 Viper is about .3 slower than the stock Z in the quarter. The '08 will eat it up. That damn power to weight thing..and add the new sticky stock tires on top of that. 535RWHP...sticky stock tires...new rear-end..upgraded tranny...all new clutch....on a slightly lighter car than the '06 Viper.
 
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lamboman

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Leave off the red stripe it is fugly:willy

I like the Red stripe. It will be on the car.
 

lamboman

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Expect to see quite a few more vipers up on curbs. The overage Joe was having problems keeping the 500hp version in control. Know of two friends that have done so. Cant believe they dont equip these 500hp+ cars w traction control.
Viper owners don't want traction control. The Vette is around for that stuff. The Viper is an active driving machine. Takes skill and experience to get the most out of the car, and the novice will put it into a ditch or wall. Save the nanny tech for someone else. However..the day is coming where it will be government regulated for all vehicles, unfortunately. The write up below explains the Viper. This was a CNN issue on Collectable cars of the future by Hagerty:

Dodge Viper
An avid, cult-like following can boost a car's appeal in the collector-car market, said McKeel Hagerty of Hagerty Insurance. The Viper is a superb example of the phenomenon.
"The Viper created almost a new category for itself as kind of the anti-Corvette," said Hagerty.

The Chevrolet Corvette has its followers, too, but the Viper prides itself on being a car for the truly dedicated.

The 'Vette pampers and protects you with amenities like cupholders, side impact airbags and electronic stability control.

The Viper, on the other hand, will do you no favors. It will not hold your beverage and it will not protect you if you manage to skid sideways into a tree. You'll experience the Viper's exhaust heat and engine noise first hand.

With its enormous tires and extremely sensitive steering, the Viper responds to every wrinkle in the road, so you'd better keep both hands on the wheel.

But the Viper's extreme, pit-bull image could make it highly collectible in the future. The upcoming 2008 Viper is shown here.
 
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Pete S.

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And if we are lucky, as with passenger air bags, there will be a cut-off switch to disable it.(government regulated traction control)
 

satx

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Aug 25, 2005
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Dana Point
Look for 0-60 in the 3.3-3.4 from Motor Tremd...quarter mile times below 11.5. RWHP is over 535. Actual crank HP is closer to 615.

I'm curious what trap speed we'll be seeing with 530+rwhp.....130MPH?
 

everetto

GT Owner
Sep 4, 2006
186
Desert Southwest
Good debating the subject with you. Long live American Muscle.
Well said, and it was good discussing things with you - always nice to be able to have a decent conversation rather than one of those common Internet debacles (which I too often am guilty of myself). I think your numbers are pretty fair, and I think we are actually pretty close on our ideas of the numbers. I also bet you will get your new Viper into the 10s.
:cheers
 

Fast Freddy

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Aug 5, 2005
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traction control is for gurls. the vette is a chic car
 

lamboman

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Well said, and it was good discussing things with you - always nice to be able to have a decent conversation rather than one of those common Internet debacles (which I too often am guilty of myself).
Thank you Everett. I myself have fallen into the internet debacle more times than I would like to remember. Again...great meeting you. A.J.
 

FORDGT001

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Look for 0-60 in the 3.3-3.4 from Motor Tremd...quarter mile times below 11.5. RWHP is over 535. Actual crank HP is closer to 615.
So your Prediction, Will it beat the Z06 In a the Quarter?
 

GFORCE

GT Owner
Jan 14, 2006
375
I got two get a 08

Ive had four vipers,still have two.Ill trade my 03 on a 08.Thats the joy no,
track control.Thats why i love my gts.One whipple monster the other with
pulley and yada yada yada.Just a real drivers car.
 

lamboman

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I'm curious what trap speed we'll be seeing with 530+rwhp.....130MPH?
That would be an excellent guess!!
 

FORDGT001

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So you are saying that the stock '08 Viper has to beat the FASTEST time ever recorded? No...that isn't the way a true comparison test is done. Out of over 30 different Z's that I have seen run, including mine...have yet to see a bone stock hit below 11.7...and many are in the low 12's. Yes..Ranger hit those times. What about the guys who can't crack 12.3 in the Z? You have to look at the mag tests where they run the SAME track, SAME driver, SAME condition. I have all the comparison tests done on the z over the last 2 years. Norm is 11.7-12.0. The '06 Viper is at 11.9- 12.3. I have NEVER lost to a new Z at the strip in one of my bone stock Vipers. Of course..I can run 11.5's all day long, and for some reason..it is MUCH quicker than my other Vipers. Not the norm for a stock SRT. Kinda like Ranger's Z. Yes..the '08 will beat the Z with same driver, same track, same condition. The BD?? Not even a concept at the show yet. After EPA..certification..etc, I will begin to think about it. The short lived run of the Z as king of the hill is over. It was a one year run. History of quickest American cars since '92:
92...Viper
93...Viper
94...Viper
95...Viper
96...Viper
97...Viper
98...Viper
99...Viper
00...Viper
01...Viper
02...Viper
03...Viper
04...Viper
05...FGT
06...FGT
07...Z06 (No FGT or Viper produced)
08...???


I have owned 3 C6 Z's...still have an '07. The '06 Viper is about .3 slower than the stock Z in the quarter. The '08 will eat it up. That damn power to weight thing..and add the new sticky stock tires on top of that. 535RWHP...sticky stock tires...new rear-end..upgraded tranny...all new clutch....on a slightly lighter car than the '06 Viper.
Very Interesting.
 

jamie

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As an owner of all three cars GT, Z06 and previous owner of several vipers including the first Heffner Supercharged one, there is a huge difference between the C6 Z06 and the current viper. The new vipers struggle to break into the elevens with a good driver, and my bone stock Z06 as delivered my first time ever at the track in the car ran consistent 11.3's at 128 with a best of 11.2 at 129, and I am sure 10's would be an easy task with drag radials. I think its very unlikely that the new viper will indeed be able to out run the Z06 and if does I will be very surprised! I know ranger and have raced with him on several occassions and although a good driver, not supernatural and neither am I, and the times posted represent what ANY Z06 with a capable driver can attain. The best time my GT was able to post as delivered was a 11.5 at 126.5 and I think that pretty good but the Z06 is just unreal!
 
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FORDGT001

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So you are saying that the stock '08 Viper has to beat the FASTEST time ever recorded? No...that isn't the way a true comparison test is done. Out of over 30 different Z's that I have seen run, including mine...have yet to see a bone stock hit below 11.7...and many are in the low 12's. Yes..Ranger hit those times. What about the guys who can't crack 12.3 in the Z? You have to look at the mag tests where they run the SAME track, SAME driver, SAME condition. I have all the comparison tests done on the z over the last 2 years. Norm is 11.7-12.0. The '06 Viper is at 11.9- 12.3. I have NEVER lost to a new Z at the strip in one of my bone stock Vipers. Of course..I can run 11.5's all day long, and for some reason..it is MUCH quicker than my other Vipers. Not the norm for a stock SRT. Kinda like Ranger's Z. Yes..the '08 will beat the Z with same driver, same track, same condition. The BD?? Not even a concept at the show yet. After EPA..certification..etc, I will begin to think about it. The short lived run of the Z as king of the hill is over. It was a one year run. History of quickest American cars since '92:
92...Viper
93...Viper
94...Viper
95...Viper
96...Viper
97...Viper
98...Viper
99...Viper
00...Viper
01...Viper
02...Viper
03...Viper
04...Viper
05...FGT
06...FGT
07...Z06 (No FGT or Viper produced)
08...???


I have owned 3 C6 Z's...still have an '07. The '06 Viper is about .3 slower than the stock Z in the quarter. The '08 will eat it up. That damn power to weight thing..and add the new sticky stock tires on top of that. 535RWHP...sticky stock tires...new rear-end..upgraded tranny...all new clutch....on a slightly lighter car than the '06 Viper.
Lamboman your the King of the Vipers So Will the 2010 Viper have 680-700HP? How many 08's will you be getting?
 
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Pedalpusher

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Dec 10, 2006
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Concord, NC
Can anyone explain why the C6 Z06 is so fast? Don't they usually make around 440 to 450 to the wheels? The GT (mine anyway) makes 535 whp, give or take a few. Shouldn't 80 or 90 horsepower, at the tire, and mid-engine traction, be able to overcome the Z's 300lb advantage?
 

lamboman

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Jun 14, 2006
248
Atlanta area
The GT (mine anyway) makes 535 whp, give or take a few. Shouldn't 80 or 90 horsepower, at the tire, and mid-engine traction, be able to overcome the Z's 300lb advantage?
Absolutely. The Z has a little advantage with the low gearing, not enough to offset the 85-90 WHP. See...everyone has a different story. My GT's have outrun my 3 C6 Z's. Jamie said his Z was quicker than his GT. Would be curious what his WHP is on both cars. Have heard of a few GT's in the 480's...and a few Z's in the 460's. That would certainly make the Z quicker. Still have never seen a Mag. comparison test that had the Z quicker than the GT. Most have the GT up by .2 or more.
 
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lamboman

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So your Prediction, Will it beat the Z06 In a the Quarter?
Prediction...with a little bit of inside info. Yes..it beats the Z.
 

everetto

GT Owner
Sep 4, 2006
186
Desert Southwest
So you are saying that the stock '08 Viper has to beat the FASTEST time ever recorded? No...that isn't the way a true comparison test is done. Out of over 30 different Z's that I have seen run, including mine...have yet to see a bone stock hit below 11.7...and many are in the low 12's.
No, the new Viper won't have to beat the fastest recorded time, but it is the yardstick that is out there, and which comes to mind every time these comparisons come up. As far as Ranger's being the only fast one? Nope, there are quite a few guys over on the Forum running between 11.7 and 11.4 once they learned how to manage the conservative TM which makes it difficult to get a really hard launch. With 600HP the new Viper SHOULD beat the Z in a straight line due to a slightly better lb/HP ratio - if it really does so remains to be seen. As far as the Blue Devil not being shown at Detroit this year - no one expected it to be there. It is meaningless to insinuate something about the car b/c it was not at the show - it's a function of new models coming out in staggered fashion. If they do build the Blue Devil it should have the best lb/HP ratio of any of these cars when it is released. Will something better it in the following years? Probably.