196 with stock blower


SAGT

SAGT

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Dec 21, 2009
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I felt slow out there compared to the big guys running, but I did manage to get my stock blower GT up to 196.0. Anyone know what the fastest GT pulley/tune only run has been thus far? Someone told me 195.4, but just wanted to try and confirm. I had a blast. It was really good meeting some of you guys out there. I am not trying to resist the call of the TT for my ride!
 
Impressive run indeed! That's gotta be a record. I'm sure others will chime in soon...

I think you and Soroush had the only non turbo cars out there! lol
 
I think you have it. I ran a 195.5 with a pulley and tune in March 2009 at the Texas Mile.
 
very nice indeed!
 
SAGT said:
I felt slow out there compared to the big guys running, but I did manage to get my stock blower GT up to 196.0. Anyone know what the fastest GT pulley/tune only run has been thus far? Someone told me 195.4, but just wanted to try and confirm. I had a blast. It was really good meeting some of you guys out there. I am not trying to resist the call of the TT for my ride!
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congratulations on the new record :cheers what size pulley where you using and what kind of tires?
 
Fast Freddy said:
congratulations on the new record :cheers what size pulley where you using and what kind of tires?
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They were the tires that came on the car. I am running a 2.8 upper and the Innovators West lower balancer. TB is still stock. I really feel the mph came from the tuning. Thanks go out to Lund Racing for the tune and also to Revin Racing for all there help with the car. I was running C16 also.
 
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They were the tires that came on the car. I am running a 2.8 upper and the Innovators West lower balancer. TB is still stock. I really feel the mph came from the tuning. Thanks go out to Lund Racing for the tune and also to Revin Racing for all there help with the car. I was running C16 also.
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I presume it was a C16 tune and not just a safety measure. I would really like to get a 200 run out of 93 pump gas. We will see.
 
SAGT said:
They were the tires that came on the car. I am running a 2.8 upper and the Innovators West lower balancer. TB is still stock. I really feel the mph came from the tuning. Thanks go out to Lund Racing for the tune and also to Revin Racing for all there help with the car. I was running C16 also.
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ahhh ha! C16, one reason for the speed (and the tune).

FWIW my run was on a pump gas tune with ms109 unleaded.
 
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Fubar said:
I presume it was a C16 tune and not just a safety measure. I would really like to get a 200 run out of 93 pump gas. We will see.
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I do not want to blow my car up is the main reason for the C16. Its very forgiving. I am sure there are guys running around on the street with 93 octane pump gas and tunes more agressive than the one I was running, but with your foot to the floor for the entire mile I can not see a reason to risk blowing the motor. I wont take any of my cars to any track on pump gas!

I am going to try for 200 next October, but right now I think my stock throttle body is the bottleneck. Might have to step up there.
 
I would be very surprised to see 200 mph out of a true pump gas tune with the stock blower, without some really good weather. I managed 205.1 on 93 octane this weekend, but I don't have a supercharger heat sink anymore. ;-)
 
also, if you ran the 196 on Sunday keep in mind you got 4-5 mph because of the wind speed and direction. When I did my 195.5 it was with a strong tailwind similar to Sundays wind. You could come out there next time with a better tune and C16 and run 190 because of the wind direction being a headwind.
 
SAGT said:
I felt slow out there compared to the big guys running, but I did manage to get my stock blower GT up to 196.0. Anyone know what the fastest GT pulley/tune only run has been thus far? Someone told me 195.4, but just wanted to try and confirm. I had a blast. It was really good meeting some of you guys out there. I am not trying to resist the call of the TT for my ride!
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That's the best I have heard, what tires were you running ?
 
SAGT said:
I am not trying to resist the call of the TT for my ride!
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Congrats on your run! :thumbsup

I too am fighting a losing battle in my head over the TT issue. :frown :lol :cheers
 
skyrex said:
Congrats on your run! :thumbsup

I too am fighting a losing battle in my head over the TT issue. :frown :lol :cheers
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i am determined to hit 200+ mph in the mile without the help of turbos. three cars with whipples and no spray have now gone over 200 mph at the Texas Mile. Soroush at 209 mph is the fastest of the three.

also soroush has gone over 220 mph with a whipple + nitrous in the mile.. so i won't be putting twin turbos on my GT. they are simply not needed to exceed 200 mph at the Texas mile. at the Mojave Mile as a result of the HIGHER elevation it appears to me that a whipple powered GT will need Nitrous to exceed 200 mph :thumbsup
 
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I think you can get there, no problem, with a race gas (105 or C16) tune. The question is can you get it done on pump gas?
 
Fubar said:
I think you can get there, no problem, with a race gas (105 or C16) tune. The question is can you get it done on pump gas?
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it will be hard, the whipple car that ran 204 couple of years ago, the one on the super cars exposed, was running whipple 23lb pulley, 109 fuel, with meth injection and making 850 hp.

last year there was another car that was just a whipple with 21lb pulley I dont know what it dyno'd but it went 204 as well, however on that day everyone was running 7-8 miles faster due to a tailwind.

there were 850 hp mustangs that ran 200 and 201 on that day. that was unheard of until then, their best up until that point was low 190's so the wind was helping everyone out that day.
 
soroush said:
it will be hard, the whipple car that ran 204 couple of years ago, the one on the super cars exposed, was running whipple 23lb pulley, 109 fuel, with meth injection and making 850 hp.

last year there was another car that was just a whipple with 21lb pulley I dont know what it dyno'd but it went 204 as well, however on that day everyone was running 7-8 miles faster due to a tailwind.

there were 850 hp mustangs that ran 200 and 201 on that day. that was unheard of until then, their best up until that point was low 190's so the wind was helping everyone out that day.
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the whipple powered car that went 204 mph at the spring of 2008 Texas mile was not using a 4.0 L whipple. they weren't even made back then. he had a either a gen 1 or gen 2 whipple which is iether 3.2 L or 3.3 L respectively.

when you consider what lil advacement in technology he had available at his disposal at that time, this puts his accomplishment into perspective. as i recall Tanner Foust was driving the car. i was pitted at the 3/4 mile mark and when that thing flew past me it was absolutely the loudest GT or supercar for that matter i have ever heard in my life.......
 
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Fast Freddy said:
the whipple powered car that went 204 mph at the spring of 2008 Texas mile was not using a 4.0 L whipple. they weren't even made back then. he had a either a gen 1 or gen 2 whipple which is iether 3.2 L or 3.3 L respectively.

when you consider what lil advacement in technology he had available at his disposal at that time, this puts his accomplishment into perspective. as i recall Tanner Foust was driving the car. i was pitted at the 3/4 mile mark and when that thing flew past me it was absolutely the loudest GT or supercar for that matter i have ever heard in my life.......
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right you are, it wasnt using a 4.0 but it was making 850hp actually 862 I saw the dyno sheet. I dont know what 4.0 liter whipple guys are making, but if it is close to 850 than you might have a shot to run 200 in the mile with good condition, also can 4 L whipple make 850 on pump gas? I was under the assumption that in order to make all the power of the 4L you need some fuel modifications , fubar has a 4L,

fubar what does your car make on the dyno? how is the AF? do you have fuel issues?

btw to answer your question in the other thread about my exhaust, it is exactly the same set up as the tungsten car you saw at the mile, but lopyer(due to cams). :cheers
 
Dyno HP is not the same as TX mile HP.

On the Dyno the pull last less than 10 secs. At the TX mile more like 20 to 30 sec. at maximum output. Engine mods that increase HP also increase the amount of heat that has to be managed. The most important for the TX mile is the inter-cooler system. It wasn't designed for the heat output generated by faster spinning stock pulleys, or bigger Whipple blowers. The results are that the discharge air temps will rise to the point where timing must be pulled and the power drops off when compared to the dyno sheet.

One of Shadowman's customers had Gen2 Whipple I believe that did 206 at the TX mile. It was probably putting out about "only" 750HP, but because of a custom TX tune it was able to maintain that power level longer down the runway. I think that day the air density was good with a tailwind.

To summarize, when all of the stars are aligned a Whipple only car with a constant 750HP driven well can do 200+ in the mile. In less than stellar conditions one needs more HP coming down the home stretch (last 1/2 mile).

Now I am bummed, because I only have a Whipple and I would need the stars to be aligned to join the 200 club. At Mojave that is almost impossible :(
 
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Dyno HP is not the same as TX mile HP.

On the Dyno the pull last less than 10 secs. At the TX mile more like 20 to 30 sec. at maximum output. Engine mods that increase HP also increase the amount of heat that has to be managed. The most important for the TX mile is the inter-cooler system. It wasn't designed for the heat output generated by faster spinning stock pulleys, or bigger Whipple blowers. The results are that the discharge air temps will rise to the point where timing must be pulled and the power drops off when compared to the dyno sheet.

One of Shadowman's customers had Gen2 Whipple I believe that did 206 at the TX mile. It was probably putting out about "only" 750HP, but because of a custom TX tune it was able to maintain that power level longer down the runway. I think that day the air density was good with a tailwind.

To summarize, when all of the stars are aligned a Whipple only car with a constant 750HP driven well can do 200+ in the mile. In less than stellar conditions one needs more HP coming down the home stretch (last 1/2 mile).

Now I am bummed, because I only have a Whipple and I would need the stars to be aligned to join the 200 club. At Mojave that is almost impossible :(
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I dont completely agree, if you make more power, initially you will reach a higher speed faster than a car making less power, then when heat takes over you will not gain speed as quickly perhaps, too complicated to figure out! whats better a car making 800 hp that will drop 100hp by the end of the run or a car that makes 750 through out the run?



I was there that day, thats the car I was talking about, (I delivered the special tune:wink) , the conditions were better than optimum that day, there was a 10 mph tailwind that day, and very cool temps, mustangs were running 200 that is unlikely to happen again

you'd be better off aligning the stars yourself:wink
 
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