Culling Chrysler Dealers.


ChipBeck

GT Owner
Staff member
Mark IV Lifetime
Le Mans 2010 Supporter
Feb 13, 2006
5,794
Scottsdale, Arizona
Perhaps someone can tell me how will closing dealerships reduce Chrysler’s cost or improve sales? I just don’t get it.

A whole boatload of dealerships lose money per car right now. Besides the structural costs associated with training, certifying blah blah blah the dealers, the fact is they sell vastly fewer cars per dealership than the competition, and when you've got 4 Chrysler dealerships selling the same amount 1 Toyota dealer does....Even cutting 800 dealers, they'll still have 2,200......This is to say nothing of the unfair and illegal manner in which they are culling specific franchises.

According to Chip Beck, for any information to become actionable it must first pass through two filters. Failure on either count renders that information useless. Those two filters are, 1. Is the information true? and 2. Is the information relevant?

Gentlemen,

Kingman instinctively knows that culling dealer franchises will neither reduce Chrysler's costs significantly nor will it improve sales. The immediate effect of this move will be a significant reduction in Chrysler new vehicle sales. As a General Motors dealer myself for over 20 years (Pontiac and GMC Truck) I feel qualified to speak here. The excessive number of domestic dealerships that exist today is not a cause of manufacturer woes, it is a symptom. DBK is correct in stating that the average Toyota dealership sells more than 400% the number of cars sold by the average Chrysler dealership. Then again, the average Chrysler dealership sells 400% as many cars as the average Porsche dealership. Yet over the last decade the Porsche and Toyota dealers were far more profitable than Chrysler dealers. In this game, volume, in and of itself, is of limited value. Unless a manufacturers products generate demand in excess of available supply, profit margins will be thin or nonexistent.

The volume of new cars sold per month disparity between Chrysler and Toyota dealerships is unquestionably true. But as to the survival and profitability of Chrysler, it is in large part, irrelevant.

In the late 1970s my Pontiac dealership sold four times as many cars as the Honda automobile dealership across the street. Yet the Honda dealer made four times as much money every month as I was able to make. He had pre-sold every Honda he could get and delivered everyone of them at full list price the day they came off the transport truck. He could care less that his volume was only one fourth of my volume. The Honda Automobile was perceived to be a better car at a better price and demand exceeded the available supply. This made Honda dealers extremely wealthy.

There are very small marginal costs to automobile manufacturers that have to service a large number of dealerships, administering warrantee claims, etc. But the larger argument being made here, is that because a typical Toyota dealership sells 300 new Toyota's a month, he is able to maintain a palacial showroom with a kids play area, a Starbucks, a fantastic deli lunch counter, and a customer service waiting area filled with flatscreen plasma TVs. The dumpy little Chrysler dealership down the street moving 50 units a month looks dark and dingy by comparison.

So all Chrysler needs to do is eliminate 75% of their dealerships and they will sell the same number of cars through 1/4 the number of dealerships right? And then the Chrysler dealerships will have the Starbucks and the flat screens and all that other good stuff right? And then customers will see how bitchen' the new dealerships are and Chrysler will be just as profitable as Toyota right?

You already know the answer to those questions. This is as absurd as Chrysler looking at the differences between their advertising and the advertising that Toyota does and believing that if they just do the exact same advertising as Toyota that they will be as successful as Toyota.

Those palacial new Toyota showrooms are also not the cause of Toyota's success. They too, are a symptom....brought about by the profitability resulting from Toyota's combination of desirability and price point.

When it comes to automobile manufacturing, customers are looking for the best available product they can acquire for the amount of money they're willing to spend. You don't need to make the best car, but you do need to make a car that significant number of customers will consider to be the best available for $20,000 or $28,000 or ??? and that number of customers must exceed the available supply in order for the dealers to make a reasonable profit on them.

If a manufacturer is not building the most desirable product at a given price point he can still sell a large number of vehicles because of customer loyalty. And often that loyalty is not to the brand, but to a particular dealership. When Tomy Hamon and I sold our stores after decades in the business, we both had a large number of customers who would only buy automobiles and trucks from us. If we didn't sell it, they didn't buy it. Our friends in the Country Club, our business associates, and customers we built close personal relationships with after doing business with them for decades. Once we got out of the car business, our loyal customers scattered to many different brands and many different dealerships. And this is what is going to sting Chrysler.

Closing dealerships will benefit the dealerships that remain, but it will hurt Chrysler. Many customers will have to travel farther to get their cars serviced, and many areas will be left without any Chrysler dealership. Those dealerships that remain are in no financial position to build new facilities that would rival those of the typical Toyota dealership. The notion that fewer dealerships will lead to more success for Chrysler as a manufacturer is a red herring and distracts their attention from the only two items they should be focusing on right now. 1. Improved product. 2. Lower price point.

DBK touched on one very profound thing in the last line of his post. The unfair and illegal manner in which they are culling these franchisees. Both Chrysler and the government "Car Czar" controlling Chrysler refuses to make public the criteria they are using to select dealers to be eliminated. It has become crystal clear they are not using individual profitability or effectiveness in their assigned market areas. It does appear that both race and political affiliation are affecting which dealers are selected for elimination. Many of the weakest and least effective dealers are being allowed to continue in operation because they are owned by minorities while stronger, more profitable, higher volume dealerships who have been in business for decades but are owned by white males are being eliminated.

Capitalism is the ultimate form of power to the people because each of us get to vote with our dollars and collectively we determine which businesses survive. Socialism strips that power from consumers and places it in the hands of the small number of bureaucrats who use their personal and political bias to select winners and losers. I barely recognize my country today.

Chip
 
I do not know if this true or not, but I have every reason to believe it is. My source is a dealer that owns Chevrolet, Ford, Chrysler & Mazda and he tells me that hardly any minority owned dealership made the cut list of Chrysler & GM.
 
Chip,

Would you recommend investing in a Hyundai dealership.

The new Genesis Sedan and Coupe are getting rave reviews, and word is they will eventually bring the flagship Equus model here as well.

I remember when Lexus came out, and there were doubts, that were firmly laid to rest in a few short years. Interestingly, Nissan's Infiniti and Mazda Amati/Millenia line was less successful, by comparison.

Hyundai is one of the worlds largest conglomerates, and the 5th largest auto maker globally.
 
Hyundai has labor strikes almost every year!
 
Thanks Chip..... I learn something every day :cheers
 
Bottom line effect.

Kingman said:
...culling the dealerships won't really affect Chrysler's bottom line at all!?

Then why do it?

Culling the dealerships will absolutely have an effect on Chrysler's bottom line. It will make Chrysler's bottom line worse. Hundreds of thousands of Chrysler vehicles sitting on the soon-to-be closed dealership lots must now be disposed of in a massive fire sale. Each terminated dealer will take a blood bath, some of the larger dealers will lose millions of dollars, to liquidate as many vehicles as possible to retail customers before their termination date and then wholesaling their remaining inventory to surviving dealerships. Nobody wants this inventory so it's going to be sold very cheap. When you can buy a terminated dealer's new car inventory for $.60 on the dollar, what dealer in their right mind is going to pay Chrysler full wholesale cost to build them replacement inventory for those vehicles that they sell? This will slow Chrysler's ability to restart production for months leading to additional waves of red ink.

Then why do it?.........This is what happens when a company tries to please it's government overlords instead of the marketplace. Chrysler was in a desperate fight for survival prior to their running out of money and making their plea to the government. Anything they genuinely believed could be of benefit that was possible, they had already done. The politicians and political appointees in charge of determining whether or not public money should be granted these companies have no experience and no knowledge whatsoever of the automobile business. Their attempt to appear "wise and tough" led to their demands that the auto companies "Come up with a better plan and.....they need to do more". Indeed, the first turnaround plans submitted to Congress by both Chrysler and General Motors were rejected and company management was instructed to go back to the drawing board and to take, "More drastic action". At this point, company management was trying to figure out what they could say that would satisfy these knuckleheads. They were throwing out any idea they thought would sound impressive to Congress. Closing dealerships is one of the brilliant results of that sausage making process.

None of this worked or will work however. The end result for both companies is the one thing they were trying to avoid in the first place, bankruptcy. Only now, with the government involved, settled contract law would be shredded and secured senior creditors would find themselves wiped out while politically favored junior creditor Unions are protected.

Wonderful. :bored

The marketplace was already culling large numbers of dealers through attrition as weaker players fell by the wayside and stronger dealers held on. If justice and fairness mattered in Chrysler's current reduction of franchisees, they would make public the criteria required for any dealer to remain in operation. These criteria could include, minimum annual sales, minimum assigned market penetration, customer satisfaction indices, and warranty claims efficiency. Dealers could then decide whether or not it made sense for them to continue in operation or if it was even possible for them to continue. Dealer reductions in this manner would lead to the survival of the strongest players who would best be able to help Chrysler survive in the future.

But here again, Chrysler is no longer trying to compete in the marketplace, they are trying to please liberal Democrat politicians. And it quickly became apparent that culling dealers via competitive criteria would drastically reduce the already thin ranks of minority owned dealerships. And so Chrysler's criteria remains secret and many strong, profitable, and efficient dealerships owned by white males are receiving termination letters while many far less efficient minority owned dealerships are allowed to continue in operation.

The customer is always right. And today, the only customers that matter to Chrysler are 435 United States Congressman.

Chip
 
Last edited:
Many of those elected into political offices never even ran a business as simple as a hot dog stand. They have no concept of how to run a profitable business. They only know how to be on the receiving end of a paycheck from employers (government) that don't care about profit vs. loss. In fact most governments, Federal, state and local are ran at a loss most of the time.

This is most evident even for the man on the "top." I don't think he has ever written a paycheck to someone out of his own pocket!
 
I didn't know the true meaning of the term "culling" so I looked it up.

Reducing the population by selective slaughter.
 
I didn't know the true meaning of the term "culling" so I looked it up.

Reducing the population by selective slaughter.


have you not seen mcclintock????:biggrin:cheers john wayne clearly explains the term cull in this movie...
 
Selective slaughter.

I didn't know the true meaning of the term "culling" so I looked it up.

Reducing the population by selective slaughter.

SYCO,

There is no more appropriate term for what is going on here. :frown For decades these dealers have fought to survive in a ferociously competitive marketplace. They had to earn every sale, control every expense, hire and train every employee, continually reevaluate their business plan, and satisfy their customer's who, up to this point, were the only decision makers that could put that dealer out of business. Customers had the freedom to choose those dealers who they believed were doing the best job for them.

Consumer control of Adam Smith's invisible hand and it's creative destruction has been stripped from auto buyers. That power now resides in the hands of government bureaucrats who will select who they want to see survive and who they want to be slaughtered.

Chip
 
I didn't know the true meaning of the term "culling" so I looked it up.

Reducing the population by selective slaughter.

In the 3D graphics industry, the term Culling refers to the purposeful selection of Geometric Entities to be Rendered within a "Frustum of Vision" and in Real-Time.

Now I feel a like a complete geek.:ack
 
have you not seen mcclintock????:biggrin:cheers john wayne clearly explains the term cull in this movie...

I have just put it into my Netflix que, so I'll be checking out the classic western comedy. I had not only not seen it, I hadn't heard of it. Sounds like a fun flick though. :thumbsup
 
That power now resides in the hands of government bureaucrats who will select who they want to see survive and who they want to be slaughtered.

Chip

Few things worse than the non-business motivated making decisions that negatively impact and can destroy business and businesses from working as they naturally should.

Thanks for the overview and analysis of the current dire situation, and even more fearsome actions.
 
I have just put it into my Netflix que, so I'll be checking out the classic western comedy. I had not only not seen it, I hadn't heard of it. Sounds like a fun flick though. :thumbsup

its a classic! in the movie they too were have difficulties with the governmental regulation and procedures about items the government knew nothing about. come to think of it nothing much has changed. how sad.:thumbsdow
 
According to Chip Beck, for any information to become actionable it must first pass through two filters. Failure on either count renders that information useless. Those two filters are, 1. Is the information true? and 2. Is the information relevant?

Chip,

I find these posts very informative and depressing at the same time. In regards to your filters, I find them relating very similar to the "Four Way Test" that is found on the back of the Rotary challenge coin that Bony sent me prior to my deployment:

Of the four things we think, say or do:

1. Is it the truth?
2. Is it fair to all concerned?
3. Will it build good will and better friendships?
4. Will it be beneficial to all concerned?
 
Very informative and interesting read. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
 
its a classic! in the movie they too were have difficulties with the governmental regulation and procedures about items the government knew nothing about. come to think of it nothing much has changed. how sad.:thumbsdow

Just caught the last half of The Professionals (1966). Wow. Claudia Cardinale... :thumbsup
 
I should have mentioned that the majority of the problem exists (in my eyes) in the strain of competition amongst same-brand dealers. When I bought my Ford GT, I bought it from a Ford dealer that has another Ford dealer 5 miles down the road. This happens constantly with the domestics, but usually it involves getting the lowest price for the consumer.

Let's say you've decided to buy the Dodge Ram. You have 4 dealerships to choose from within 30 minutes of your house. The Toyota dealer isn't suffering any more if you buy it from dealer A,B,C or D. The rest of the Dodge dealers are, and chances are they are eroding their own margins, the perception of the brand, and the residual value of the vehicle in an attempt to be the guy that moves the metal. Retail pricing on domestic cars sucks, and the perception that you can take advantage the pricing arms race between the same brand franchises has to be part of it.

I know Chip was a long time dealer so his perception is different, but there are definitely agendas that put the goals of the company and the individuals that represent them at their franchises at odds. Just like anything else here, there is a tangled web of economics and politics involved in the dealer-company relationship. NADA is a powerful lobby and dealer franchise laws are (were) a big stick to swing. I don't think Chrysler has nearly the volume to support the number of dealers they have.
 
Closings.

I should have mentioned that the majority of the problem exists (in my eyes) in the strain of competition amongst same-brand dealers. When I bought my Ford GT, I bought it from a Ford dealer that has another Ford dealer 5 miles down the road. This happens constantly with the domestics, but usually it involves getting the lowest price for the consumer.

Let's say you've decided to buy the Dodge Ram. You have 4 dealerships to choose from within 30 minutes of your house. The Toyota dealer isn't suffering any more if you buy it from dealer A,B,C or D. The rest of the Dodge dealers are, and chances are they are eroding their own margins, the perception of the brand, and the residual value of the vehicle in an attempt to be the guy that moves the metal. Retail pricing on domestic cars sucks, and the perception that you can take advantage the pricing arms race between the same brand franchises has to be part of it.

I know Chip was a long time dealer so his perception is different, but there are definitely agendas that put the goals of the company and the individuals that represent them at their franchises at odds. Just like anything else here, there is a tangled web of economics and politics involved in the dealer-company relationship. NADA is a powerful lobby and dealer franchise laws are (were) a big stick to swing. I don't think Chrysler has nearly the volume to support the number of dealers they have.

I agree on every point. Closing stores is a sticky wicket especially after a manufacturer has pressured a dealer to do a multi million dollar remodeling in the not too distant past. Dealers should be allowed to buy other dealers and close them down. Let the big fish eat the little fish. Some of that is happening now but it was prohibited in the not so distant past. The state laws protecting auto dealers that DBK refers to are a very big stick and they will require a GM bankruptcy to break them.

Chip
 
watched the "Hearings" yesterday on Fox Business ... grilling GM and Chrysler about it. What a three ring circus.