Fast Freddy
GPS'D 225 MPH
looks to my like that when racing at speeds above 100 mph the Z06's better aerodynamics become a factor. just one more reason to mod any car you own because you never know what kind of mods your competition has.
Z06 VS FORD GT video
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californiacuda
GT Owner
- Oct 21, 2005
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Road and track ran a test late last year (Thunder Road) in a standng mile with stock z06 and stock gt and the gt did pretty well . The GT's drag coefficient does need some work at .39, especially compared to the c6 at .29
Paul Vincent
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- Oct 20, 2005
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californiacuda, From what I have read on a Corvette site, the C6ZO6 is not at .29, but rather more like .34.
Someone smarter than I once said:
Cd is a good marketing person's method of trying to express drag coefficient in their advertisments. Cd is actually a relative number which defines how slippery a given surface is. We need to know what the absolute drag is (true frontal area x Cd). I had personally measured the true frontal area of my GT and will have to get my notes from work. I have to believe that the GT's Cd is much lower than 0.4! For a car to go 214 MPH with only 550 RWHP, along with it's frontal area makes me guess that it's much closer to 0.3, than 0.4!
Cd is a good marketing person's method of trying to express drag coefficient in their advertisments. Cd is actually a relative number which defines how slippery a given surface is. We need to know what the absolute drag is (true frontal area x Cd). I had personally measured the true frontal area of my GT and will have to get my notes from work. I have to believe that the GT's Cd is much lower than 0.4! For a car to go 214 MPH with only 550 RWHP, along with it's frontal area makes me guess that it's much closer to 0.3, than 0.4!
Lankhoss
Member
Hello,
I am a Z06 owner and had seen this video on another website. To be honest with you, my take on the video is about the same as most of the guys in this forum. I have a huge respect for both vehicles, I just happen to have the Z06. I have yet to come across a Ford GT while I was in my Corvette, though. I believe the two cars are very closely matched, and I'd put my money on the Ford GT stock for stock. That being said, if anyone is around the Atlanta area and would like to "test" out this theory, please let me know ;-)
I just thought you guys may want to hear a little insight from "the other side"
While I have no problem with some guys going out and having fun in their cars like this (and yes, it IS an entertaining video), I don't think this is a good video for a "comparison" between the two cars.
I am a Z06 owner and had seen this video on another website. To be honest with you, my take on the video is about the same as most of the guys in this forum. I have a huge respect for both vehicles, I just happen to have the Z06. I have yet to come across a Ford GT while I was in my Corvette, though. I believe the two cars are very closely matched, and I'd put my money on the Ford GT stock for stock. That being said, if anyone is around the Atlanta area and would like to "test" out this theory, please let me know ;-)
I just thought you guys may want to hear a little insight from "the other side"
While I have no problem with some guys going out and having fun in their cars like this (and yes, it IS an entertaining video), I don't think this is a good video for a "comparison" between the two cars.
satx
Well-known member
Fast Freddy said:
I think the GT has the aero advantage but it is probably fairly close. The Z06 has a lttle advantage in the Cd department where the GT has the advantage in frontal area. FWIW the GT produced downforce vs. lift for the Z06.
In the vid the Z06 puts about two cars on the GT and then speeds away due to the GT driver letting off.
Johnny Speed
GT Owner
Paul Vincent
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- Oct 20, 2005
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50 BMG, You are correct; cc did not say that the ZO6 had a drag coefficient of ..., but as the comparison he cited in the previous sentence was between a ZO6 and a GT (Road and track ran a test late last year (Thunder Road) in a standng mile with stock z06 and stock gt and the gt did pretty well), I wanted to make it clear for all that the ZO6 itself wasn't at .29.
The Great One
Active member
Rob Ferretti said:
Rob, whats up man? Its Keith's brother (dodgeviper01), we were just watching this vid and were both surprised with the outcome. Do you know what the Z06 dynoed stock?
tpraceman
THEE GT OWNER
I whooped a 06 Z06 with my GT then the next day spanked him again with my SC Marauder. He was shocked. But nice. :cheers
Lankhoss
Member
Paul Vincent said:
I think the confusion is that the C6 Coupe has a cd of .29 or .28, while the Z06 has a cd of .34. Where the Z06 sacraficed aero with the flared fenders, it added downforce to the car. I got mine up to 175 one night, and felt no lift whatsoever....I kept wishing I could take it faster lol
GT and ZO6
Well fella's, I own both - '06 Z06 and '06 GT. I have not tracked either yet due to relatively low mileage on both. I can tell you that the two cars are quit different on the road. My first choice...the GT. It is much better planted, much more solid feeling, much better steering, feels quicker off the line and at mid-speed and seems to handle in a more balanced and predictable manner. It's also quieter inside and has a better overall ride quality. Seating is also more comfortable, although the cockpit is much tighter. Of course, the GT can only carry a hanky and two pairs of socks in the storage area. The GT is clearly a core, drivers car. No gimics.
The ZO6, mainly my wifes' car, is a great unit, no doubt. It feels lighter, has better total cockpit ergonomics and sight lines and better space availability. I don't like the Z's seats as much. I find it is noisy inside on anything other than a flat smooth road, not as well built as the GT re quality or materials and the steering is too light. The brakes are wonderful and the shifter is good, but not as good as the GT.
As for dealing with the Chevy dealers vs the Ford dealers, no contest in my case. Ford won, hands down. They knew their product and knew how to sell it and treat their customers.
Finally, at this early stage, nothing gains attention like the GT. It is the center of attention wherever I go. Unfortunately, to all but the very well informed, the ZO6 appears as just another Vette to most folks. Most don't know a ZO6 from a C6 from a C5.
I love both, for what they are. After all, I purchased them both for my collection. As for running them against one another, it's like pro football: "...on any given Sunday...". Let the morons race out on the highways, with their girlfriends or other idots in the cars with them. I respect my cars and life in general too much to get into that these days! :rofl
Well fella's, I own both - '06 Z06 and '06 GT. I have not tracked either yet due to relatively low mileage on both. I can tell you that the two cars are quit different on the road. My first choice...the GT. It is much better planted, much more solid feeling, much better steering, feels quicker off the line and at mid-speed and seems to handle in a more balanced and predictable manner. It's also quieter inside and has a better overall ride quality. Seating is also more comfortable, although the cockpit is much tighter. Of course, the GT can only carry a hanky and two pairs of socks in the storage area. The GT is clearly a core, drivers car. No gimics.
The ZO6, mainly my wifes' car, is a great unit, no doubt. It feels lighter, has better total cockpit ergonomics and sight lines and better space availability. I don't like the Z's seats as much. I find it is noisy inside on anything other than a flat smooth road, not as well built as the GT re quality or materials and the steering is too light. The brakes are wonderful and the shifter is good, but not as good as the GT.
As for dealing with the Chevy dealers vs the Ford dealers, no contest in my case. Ford won, hands down. They knew their product and knew how to sell it and treat their customers.
Finally, at this early stage, nothing gains attention like the GT. It is the center of attention wherever I go. Unfortunately, to all but the very well informed, the ZO6 appears as just another Vette to most folks. Most don't know a ZO6 from a C6 from a C5.
I love both, for what they are. After all, I purchased them both for my collection. As for running them against one another, it's like pro football: "...on any given Sunday...". Let the morons race out on the highways, with their girlfriends or other idots in the cars with them. I respect my cars and life in general too much to get into that these days! :rofl
Lankhoss
Member
Ok, I may be adding headers soon. Any Ford GT's in the Atlanta area want to get together while I'm still stock????? ;-)
Actually, I'd just love to ride with a Ford GT for a cruise. If anyone in the metro area is interested, send me a PM or check out www.sportscarforum.net
Actually, I'd just love to ride with a Ford GT for a cruise. If anyone in the metro area is interested, send me a PM or check out www.sportscarforum.net
satx
Well-known member
Lankhoss said:
right on except the Z06 does not produce downforce......it does have reduced lift as opposed to the C6.
AZGT
GT Owner
StuM said:
The Ford dealers do know how to sell, but part of that was because Ford supplies / supplied the dealers with written information specifically on how to sell the GT - what buttons to push for the consumer, statements to make, history to recite, etc. Know this for a fact - I have a copy.
I don't know how much the dealers really need to "sell the car" to get a sale. I think most buyers already had their mind made up long before they talked to the dealer (let's see, mine was made up in 1966). In fact, we have probably made the dealers life easy - for me it was just agree on the price (which was done over the phone - one phone call for offer and a return call for acceptance) and fill out the papers. I was a perfect buyer for them, and my salesman made full commission. He loved me.
centerpunch
ex-GT owner x2
satx said:
Probably more details here for $10.
http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=PAPER&PROD_CD=2005-01-1943
Fords4life351
Permanent Vacation
well it is obvious the original poster wanted to ruffle some feathers here. What is there to discuss? the Z06 beat the Ford GT... let me rephrase that, the modified Z06 beat a stock Ford GT. Thank you captain obvious :bored
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