Want to Upgrade - Which Supercharger?


nota4re

GT Owner
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Feb 15, 2006
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With a TT engine with similar HP to a SC should be under less stress than a SC one. IMO this doesn't also apply to many of the accessory parts needed for a TT installation. OEM parts are built for longevity and minimal maintenance as a high priority, whereas aftermarket parts are built with HP and TQ as a priority.

Clinton, you are spot-on with the concern about parts longevity of the TT and that's why I have been so giddy with the last changes we did - resulting in the Heffner V2. We are back to the OEM manifolds although coated in the latest titanium ceramic coating as well as the OEM heat shield for even more heat dissapation. The rest of the hot-side plumbing is also coated the same way and the flanges are even better than OEM. Pipe thickness at or better than OEM and, as I said, coated. The turbos are nestled in custom turbo-specific heat blankets. With less complex header plumbing (fewer tubes and surface area) we are afforded the opportunity for better line routing - far away from heat sources. As I tried to say (and maybe it was lost because I say too much), all of this "make-it-OEM-like" was the original justification. For sure, there was a non-trivial cost associated to it but to Apollo and others, the OEM-like reliability at probably better than OEM heat management, the cost was justified. This was the entire project goals. I began to suspect that we *might* see some performance benefits too and these far exceeded are nearly 0 expectations... because our priority was this reliability that you speak of. I have NO DOUBTS at all about the longevity of the system... and I am quite realistic about this. I think that this system is more flexible than the OEM set up (because of the easily adjustable boost), can be much LESS stressful to the engine - actually improving longevity and reliability, AND has better heat management than OEM. In brief, we've simply exchanged turbos for cats (and actually in the identical location allowing exploitation of OEM shielding) and we've blanketed the turbos so they are, on average, dissapating less heat and the entire exhaust is ceramic coated which is better than OEM. Save for the CARB sticker, this is as close to OEM quality, reliability as you can get IMO and a fantastic evolution of the Heffner kit. 1+1 = 3 is what I think best summarizes what was accomplished....
 
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SteveA

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What are the TT cars doing for smog especially those cruising around in California?
 

BlackICE

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
What are the TT cars doing for smog especially those cruising around in California?

We are back to the OEM manifolds although coated in the latest titanium ceramic coating as well as the OEM heat shield for even more heat dissapation...

...In brief, we've simply exchanged turbos for cats (and actually in the identical location allowing exploitation of OEM shielding) and we've blanketed the turbos so they are, on average, dissapating less heat and the entire exhaust is ceramic coated which is better than OEM...

Seems like an awesome upgrade that will last much longer than typical tubular headers used for TTs. As for Steve's question since the new system places the turbos in the same location as the stock cats and uses the stock exhaust manifolds, it seems the labor involved to return to stock is much less then version 1 and may be a viable option for some owners. Too bad the turbo's need oil lines. I guess you can't have everything.
 

nota4re

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Regarding CA emissions, Heffner makes a special exhaust with cats incorporated that can be swapped on relatively easily as it is aft of the turbos. In theory, the cat-equipped exhaust will enable the car to pass the sniffer. As for the visual, most have never seen a GT and don't know the details behind the type of forced induction.
YMMV
 

BlackICE

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
As for the visual, most have never seen a GT and don't know the details behind the type of forced induction.
YMMV

Assactly, YMMV.

I am too paranoid to risk it. I had a hard enough time getting my P1000 code to reset. Had to drive over 300 mile! Note that the post cat O2 sensors have to function for the P1000 code to be cleared and placing them too close to the exhaust tips may cause them to report an error code.
 

GTRob

Well-known member
Feb 18, 2009
74
Assactly, YMMV.

I am too paranoid to risk it. I had a hard enough time getting my P1000 code to reset. Had to drive over 300 mile! Note that the post cat O2 sensors have to function for the P1000 code to be cleared and placing them too close to the exhaust tips may cause them to report an error code.

Get an O2 cheater module (or make one) if there is no tune file that disables the O2 sensors you can load
 

Jason Watt

Had both, sold both
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Oct 14, 2005
1,227
Copenhagen, Denmark
Clinton, you are spot-on with the concern about parts longevity of the TT and that's why I have been so giddy with the last changes we did - resulting in the Heffner V2. We are back to the OEM manifolds although coated in the latest titanium ceramic coating as well as the OEM heat shield for even more heat dissapation. The rest of the hot-side plumbing is also coated the same way and the flanges are even better than OEM. Pipe thickness at or better than OEM and, as I said, coated. The turbos are nestled in custom turbo-specific heat blankets. With less complex header plumbing (fewer tubes and surface area) we are afforded the opportunity for better line routing - far away from heat sources. As I tried to say (and maybe it was lost because I say too much), all of this "make-it-OEM-like" was the original justification. For sure, there was a non-trivial cost associated to it but to Apollo and others, the OEM-like reliability at probably better than OEM heat management, the cost was justified. This was the entire project goals. I began to suspect that we *might* see some performance benefits too and these far exceeded are nearly 0 expectations... because our priority was this reliability that you speak of. I have NO DOUBTS at all about the longevity of the system... and I am quite realistic about this. I think that this system is more flexible than the OEM set up (because of the easily adjustable boost), can be much LESS stressful to the engine - actually improving longevity and reliability, AND has better heat management than OEM. In brief, we've simply exchanged turbos for cats (and actually in the identical location allowing exploitation of OEM shielding) and we've blanketed the turbos so they are, on average, dissapating less heat and the entire exhaust is ceramic coated which is better than OEM. Save for the CARB sticker, this is as close to OEM quality, reliability as you can get IMO and a fantastic evolution of the Heffner kit. 1+1 = 3 is what I think best summarizes what was accomplished....

So how should I feel about just having my "old version" Heffner kit delivered?? :confused
 

2112

Blue/white 06'
Mark II Lifetime
So how should I feel about just having my "old version" Heffner kit delivered?? :confused

That it is much much more attractive......?

And I am guessing, more powerful. You can still use the blankets etc, right?.
 

Fubar

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Aug 2, 2006
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And the turbo v/s supercharger debate continues... neither system is superior, they are simply different.
 

BlackICE

GT Owner
Nov 2, 2005
1,416
SF Bay Area in California
And the turbo v/s supercharger debate continues... neither system is superior, they are simply different.

:agree: Buy what within your budget that gives you the biggest



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HHGT

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:agree: Buy what within your budget that gives you the biggest



:huge:

Here you go....
 

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