Porsche Cries Foul on GT-R time

[dbk]

Told ya! What a joke. :lol

Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring

Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.
Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

- Herald Sun

 

[dbtgt]

"This technical puzzle now fits together"
Enough said! :agree:

 

[djs]

I thought from the outset that most of the tests, especially the R&T comparo, was with a "ringer" car, or that the horsepower ratings were way too conservative. The GT-R is just too heavy to outperfom at the levels described without the benefit of a lot more power. After seeing the Car & Driver test where the acceleration #s were much more realistic, I think the fog has lifted.

 

[shelbyelite]

Well, I can tell you from first hand experience that the car drives and handles great! BUT.... I will not dare to say it out does a GT2, a car thats twice the money. I dont agree with 90% of the times I see posted on any car in any mag. Why would the GT-R be any different? These companies are gonna post the best time they THINK they can get away with. I would say take 9 out of 10 cars that have been tested in many of these popular MAGS and you cant get the numbers out of them they claim. All in all, the car is great. Will it beat a Porsche Turbo or GT2........, well, line them up and lets see! :driving:

 

[PL510*Jeff]

"This technical puzzle now fits together"
Enough said! :agree:

dbtgt
- how true

reminds me of what my Dad taught me

"Liars never cheat and cheaters never lie"

 

[Empty Pockets]

Wasn't there some issue with the "starting line" and the "finish line" not being in the same place on the subject Nissan run as well? :skep

 

[dbk]

Well, I can tell you from first hand experience that the car drives and handles great! BUT.... I will not dare to say it out does a GT2, a car thats twice the money. I dont agree with 90% of the times I see posted on any car in any mag. Why would the GT-R be any different? These companies are gonna post the best time they THINK they can get away with. I would say take 9 out of 10 cars that have been tested in many of these popular MAGS and you cant get the numbers out of them they claim. All in all, the car is great. Will it beat a Porsche Turbo or GT2........, well, line them up and lets see! :driving:

Yeah, but they were going way beyond taking the best number available. I know it's got super gadgetry on it, but they were selling the fact that a sub-500hp car that weighs 3800 lbs was faster than a 617hp 3100lb Carrera GT piloted by Walter Rohl. Right. :lol

 

[B O N Y]

Being old enough to remeber the first road test and cover shot of the Pontiac GTO versus the Ferrari GTO, I have taken the position not to believe everything I read in car mags or the internet.

Having had comments in my articles rewritten by the editor when I became critical of a major advertisers events caused me to retire as a contributor for a couple of magazines.

 

[soroush]

I can explain,


the laws of physics cease to exist when the nissan is on the track!

 

[soroush]

Being old enough to remeber the first road test and cover shot of the Pontiac GTO versus the Ferrari GTO, I have taken the position not to believe everything I read in car mags or the internet.

Having had comments in my articles rewritten by the editor when I became critical of a major advertisers events caused me to retire as a contributor for a couple of magazines.

you forgot the media!:wink

 

[shelbyelite]

Yeah, but they were going way beyond taking the best number available. I know it's got super gadgetry on it, but they were selling the fact that a sub-500hp car that weighs 3800 lbs was faster than a 617hp 3100lb Carrera GT piloted by Walter Rohl. Right. :lol

I agree. I think they went a little overboard with the numbers..... :confused