Electric cars and the impact on the environment


BtwoG

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So begins the death spiral...
 
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Cobrar

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And then again, maybe the future is something other than electric, and just a costly short term proposition. That direction certainly has its’ inherent drawbacks.

 

GTMD

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Will you be ordering the rocket thruster option for your new Tesla Roadster?
Ha! Or the flamethrower accessory so you can shoot it out the window and roast the competition at mach 1? Too funny.
 

soroush

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Will you be ordering the rocket thruster option for your new Tesla Roadster?
I believe thats made possible with nano technology
 

GTinTN

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Good point, I read where Iceland has gone big into Hydrogen power...
 

texas mongrel

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We have 4000 solar windmills near us in Altamont Pass. They are idle:

"It turns out Altamont Pass is a major migratory route and offers prime hunting grounds for golden eagles, American kestrels, and red-tailed hawks. Further studies have shown that 2 to 4 thousand birds, including the federally protected golden eagle, die each year from colliding with a turbine while flying through Altamont Pass" www.mobileranger.com

Seems like they would check on this before installing that many wind mills.

A small displacement diesel is more energy efficient than a hybrid.

Ed
When I was working my company was heavily involved in developing offshore windfarms in Europe. There are so many over there because the governments gave companies a choice - pay your taxes or invest the money in wind energy. They are hopelessly inefficient, if there’s not enough wind they don’t work, if there’s too much wind they can’t work. In rough terms, 25% of the UK’s electricity comes from wind but over one third of your bill goes to pay for it. But, if it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy it’s worth it, right?
 

ByeEnzo

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I owned an early Model S P85 for over 5 years. 5000’s Vin #. Got bored with it. Had a drive unit fail..broke a transmission output shaft. Car fixed and back to me in 48 hrs with swapped unit. Service was a bit of a headache. Had to call California to set up appointments in Tx, etc. They did pick up my car for each annual service, and gave me a loaner.
My car was primitive compared to the nearly autonomous versions available now. Depreciated just like any other sedan.

Like others, I got put out by Elon’s shenanigans. Sitting out e-cars till I see what Porsche, Audi, and others offer.
 

Empty Pockets

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...Sitting out e-cars till I see what Porsche, Audi, and others offer.
'A trivial aside...but one that irritates me to no end: According to various sources, the Porsche Taycan won't have the suicide rear doors seen on the concept. Cynic that I am, I'm betting it won't have the concept's 4 race-style buckets and full-length console either.

'All just cosmetic crap to be sure...but, it all contributes to the enjoyment of the car none the less.
 

Kayvan

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Jul 13, 2006
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Might want to google the Wall St Analyst in 2001 that predicted Amazon’s bankruptcy.

He worked at Lehman Brothers of all places.

This thread will be truly hilarious in 2029.

The level of negativity for an an American Car company, from car guys,
is still baffling.
 

PeteK

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I told you so. :giggle: And although TSLA may get a short term bump in stock price, it's headed down to a level at which another major car manufacturer can acquire it. Sub-$100/share.
 

2112

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I told you so. :giggle: And although TSLA may get a short term bump in stock price, it's headed down to a level at which another major car manufacturer can acquire it. Sub-$100/share.
Any guesses who the suitors might be?
.
 

BtwoG

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Dec 8, 2013
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The only value Tesla has is its brand. They buy their batteries from Panasonic. Their autonomous driving technology is sub-par, despite Musk using his customers as lab rats. Their manufacturing process is a disaster, as is the quality of their cars. And the Model 3 has tarnished the brand because its an any-man car. Buying a brand with $10B in debt is challenging. Space-X is the most likely suitor.
Tesla is the modern day Tucker, stock fraud and all.
 

PeteK

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Apr 18, 2014
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Any guesses who the suitors might be?
.
Won't be Ford--they have the recent investment in Rivian. Won't be GM either, since they already have their own brands. Fiat-Chrysler? What the heck, with Ghosn gone, maybe Nissan? Well, they have the Leaf...
 

texas mongrel

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Ford is too busy building lame robots to worry about developing its automotive business
 

Awsum GT

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Curious if those of you putting down the cars Tesla builds have ever had a tour of the factory, owned or driven a Tesla or if your information is coming from someone that has? I have owned 4 Model S Tesla's and have had nothing but good luck with our cars.

The issues we have had were minor. When it was time for a service they actually brought us a loaner Tesla and took our car on a trailer to the closest service department for repairs which were done quickly and professionally.

The fit and finish on all 4 of the Model S Tesla's have been spot on. I am not saying the company doesn't have issues, but to say the cars are a disaster seems a bit out there.

We build zero energy homes in central California and all of our solar panels and battery storage units are made and installed by Tesla. Our homes are also high on the smart home technology scale. We use the Tesla's as part of our zero energy/smart home product advertising to do a small part in helping to cut back on electric power by our customers while saving them money with very low and some nonexistent power bills.
 
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Kayvan

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Jul 13, 2006
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1000 cars/day; record quarter coming up

No OEM has even matched ‘12 Model S range and it’s 2019

More electric cars delivered in 3 days than GM Volts/Bolts in a month

Competition still 3yrs away (range, price, battery)

Charger-network / battery supply is the wall / moat

1.2 Billion data-miles recorded for Auto-Pilot/Shadow-mode v. negligible LiDAR Cruise (MIT)
Lutz even admits gaps / paint are world-class

Crickets 🦗👂
 
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MTV8

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Curious if those of you putting down the cars Tesla builds have ever had a tour of the factory, owned or driven a Tesla or if your information is coming from someone that has? I have owned 4 Model S Tesla's and have had nothing but good luck with our cars.

The issues we have had were minor. When it was time for a service they actually brought us a loaner Tesla and took our car on a trailer to the closest service department for repairs which were done quickly and professionally.

The fit and finish on all 4 of the Model S Tesla's have been spot on. I am not saying the company doesn't have issues, but to say the cars are a disaster seems a bit out there.
As you may have noticed, some dislike Elon Musk to such an extent that they are willing to believe fabricated issues about the cars in an attempt to justify their personal feelings.
 

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Won't be Ford--they have the recent investment in Rivian. Won't be GM either, since they already have their own brands. Fiat-Chrysler? What the heck, with Ghosn gone, maybe Nissan? Well, they have the Leaf...
I was guessing a Chinese manufacturer.
 

Ed Sims

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We have 4000 solar windmills near us in Altamont Pass. They are idle:

"It turns out Altamont Pass is a major migratory route and offers prime hunting grounds for golden eagles, American kestrels, and red-tailed hawks. Further studies have shown that 2 to 4 thousand birds, including the federally protected golden eagle, die each year from colliding with a turbine while flying through Altamont Pass" www.mobileranger.com

Seems like they would check on this before installing that many wind mills.

A small displacement diesel is more energy efficient than a hybrid.

Ed
 

DBK

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The level of negativity for an an American Car company, from car guys,
is still baffling.
Yes, it's truly baffling that some people are unwilling to irrationally pump a company that routinely lies and misleads at the expense of ordinary investors. I'll give any Lehman comparisons credence on that front. I suppose everyone should just join in for the big win, get together with Ross Gerber and Cathie Wood, and separate Grandma from her savings. Would you be negative if you dumped in at $350 because of the funding secured lie?

Here's a super easy plan to ameliorate the extreme negative turn in sentiment: Tell the truth, stop making promises you know you can't keep.
 
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