Carrera Gt
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Racer X sold his CGT in lieu of the GT. Magwheel also owns both.
Baddest sounding stock car ever. Sends a tremendous chill up my spine hearing that thing live :cool
Baddest sounding stock car ever. Sends a tremendous chill up my spine hearing that thing live :cool
Big Carrot
GT Owner
Absolutely awesome cars, but I don't really like the looks of them much. Then again I'm not a HUGE fan of the GT's looks either.
Red Rocket
GT Owner
Big Carrot said:
Dude! That is sacrilege!! Let me respectfully suggest you need an eye examination. Pronto!
Big Carrot
GT Owner
Red Rocket said:
HAHA! I've just never been much of a fan of any of the new retro cars. It's grown on me some, but it's still not my favorite. Driving it is a totally different story!
SLF360
GT Owner
The problem the CGT has is twofold: first, the clutch. it is almost nonslip and hardly dosable. Makes the car very unpleasant in regular stop and go, or off the line.
second, the back end swings violently. It comes very late, and then it is almost too late to manage to control it without major panic attack.. Worrying, as you don't knw how much of a good thing, is a bad thing. Probably need to increase toe in to a ridiculous level, to make that manageable. A bit coming back to the first P Turbo, had similar issue.
I think orsche is already in legal trouble with the car in US. Again, reminiscent to the first Turbo...
second, the back end swings violently. It comes very late, and then it is almost too late to manage to control it without major panic attack.. Worrying, as you don't knw how much of a good thing, is a bad thing. Probably need to increase toe in to a ridiculous level, to make that manageable. A bit coming back to the first P Turbo, had similar issue.
I think orsche is already in legal trouble with the car in US. Again, reminiscent to the first Turbo...
Cobrar
GT Owner
On track w/Porsche
Just returned from Germany. Watched one of these cars take laps at the Nordschliefe Circuit at Nurburgring. I can tell you it looked like the guy had a real 'handfull' each and every pass, but the sound was terrific! The suspension setup was as delivered/stock. I'd have loved to see a GT in capable hands on the same day.
Just returned from Germany. Watched one of these cars take laps at the Nordschliefe Circuit at Nurburgring. I can tell you it looked like the guy had a real 'handfull' each and every pass, but the sound was terrific! The suspension setup was as delivered/stock. I'd have loved to see a GT in capable hands on the same day.
Big Carrot
GT Owner
I feel like the car is super easy to control! I whip mine around corners all the time, and it seems much more manageable than most other cars I've had. Hmmm...
Red Rocket
GT Owner
BlackICE
GT Owner
Red Rocket said:
Search for a past post on a track accident with a CGT that may have contributed to two deaths. It is rumored that the deceased hired a lawyer who in the past was sucessful in winning a case against Porsche for a "fault" in a 911 Turbo handling causing a death. I don't know if any of this is true or not, it is just what I have read on the web.
I believe all high performance cars have unique capabilities and handling attributes that have to be respected when driving them. The problem is many people just believe it is similar in handling to what they have driven in the past and that could be a fatal mistake.
e.g. Many FGT have be wrecked in the 1st few hundred miles of their life. Mostly from on power oversteer, or lifting in 1st or 2nd after losing traction during a strong acceleration.
BlackICE
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SLF360
GT Owner
Couldn't agree more ! People just 'assume' when a car responses to the accelerator being pushed, the manufacturer has made sure the machine would everytime prevail over (foolish) men. Not the case.FLY GT40 said:
I think it comes from so many 'average' cars being made more and more foolproof, and people are getting used to that and forget respect to physics. If you see the all electronic big BMW's with DSC, DTC, ASR, ABS etc, etc, and try to flip one of those, just impossible....
Assume stands for ass u & me.... Good driver training and skills, and you can drive the CGT like big Carrot does, for sure. it's just quite extreme on the scale of manageable to non manageable. it's a sweaty & hairy drive, unless you get really, really used to it over time.
FlorIdaho Chris
Yeah, I've got one.
SLF360 said:
I agree with you Stefan. Unfortunately here in the USA, facts, reason and logic have no role to play in our litigious society. Just hire some scumbag plaintiff attorney and find someone else to blame for your own stupidity. It is always someone else's fault...such BS.
That particular Porsche case was ugly in that a variety of events led to that horrible accident. However, I highly doubt the two noted car nuts who were in the machine would have wanted their relatives to try and exact punitive revenge on the carmaker for producing the car. Every time you take a car that fast on a track you risk death. It's a fact. All the electronic nannies in the world can't save you from a 150mph blowout, or overcome the laws of physics that certain driver inputs battle with.
But it's already been said. We're sanitizing the driving experience (and everything else in the United States of Tort) because we've created a culture of blame. It's not "why did the driver action result in the crash" it's "why didn't the company make sure such action wouldn't result in the crash". I for one love the fact cars like the GT, CGT, Viper, leave it all to the driver. Reminds you that the car always has more than you do. I'm not going to pretend I didn't drive way more like a maniac than I should have in my Z06 because the excellent driver nannies make it virtually crash proof.
I know someone who participated in the Utah Fast Pass last year who was there when the Enzo was totalled. Luckily, cooler heads have prevailed and they set aside a space for us next year and the event will go on....good for Larry Miller.
But it's already been said. We're sanitizing the driving experience (and everything else in the United States of Tort) because we've created a culture of blame. It's not "why did the driver action result in the crash" it's "why didn't the company make sure such action wouldn't result in the crash". I for one love the fact cars like the GT, CGT, Viper, leave it all to the driver. Reminds you that the car always has more than you do. I'm not going to pretend I didn't drive way more like a maniac than I should have in my Z06 because the excellent driver nannies make it virtually crash proof.
I know someone who participated in the Utah Fast Pass last year who was there when the Enzo was totalled. Luckily, cooler heads have prevailed and they set aside a space for us next year and the event will go on....good for Larry Miller.
p.s, just wanted to restate the CGT is the most wicked sounding car ever. Not particularly pretty, but who cares! I'll take any car meant as a successor to the GT1 that ends up roadworthy.
Listen:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5607116136226020636&q=Carrera+GT&hl=en
Listen:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5607116136226020636&q=Carrera+GT&hl=en
Big Carrot
GT Owner
I've seen that video before. That guy is NUTS! Slinging that thing around on THOSE roads takes balls of brass! He drives it like I drive my car when NOT on a mountain road with walls all around! lol That car definitely does sound amazing!
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Red Rocket
GT Owner
BlackICE said:
Oh, yes I think most of us know about that case. The owner/driver of the car was apparently a great guy who did a lot of charity work. The passenger was actually a very successful web entrepreneur from near where I live (Vancouver) and he was also an experienced rally driver.
I understand the event was an open track day and there was no one signalling drivers coming out of the pits whether the coast was clear. The Carrera driver was doing 160 mph - they say - and to avoid the Ferrari coming blindly out of the pit lane he ended up skidding sideways across the infield to the inner wall. Similar in some ways to the impact another Vancouver-based driver (Greg Moore) suffered which was also fatal, at the same track in 1999.
I have it on good authority that what killed the CGT occupants was internal injuries based on the impact. Tragic. But this points out something else that drivers of fast cars need to know. Air bags and seat belts are sometimes not enough when you're going at those speeds - if the car stops moving abruptly by hitting a solid object (i.e. a tree or concrete pillar) your internal organs keep going and it is internal injuries that often kill occupants of cars at those speeds. Just physics and physiology. So drive safe out there and consider the consequences before you risk yourself, or certainly a passenger.
427Aggie
GT Owner
The sound of the CGT is just amazing..what scares me about the car is the costs to fix things...I know you pay you play but I have heard some horry stories...Leno was on TV talking about a friend that ran over a curb with his and supposedly it did $20K in damage!!!! HOLY CRAP!!!! From a curb and the only thing they could see was a scuff on the rim!!!!
Red Rocket
GT Owner
427Aggie said:
carbon fiber tub = expensive repairs
BTW my local wholesaler of exotics tells me that CGT's can be had now for amazing deals right from the dealer with no miles. He quoted me $350k Cdn. versus the $650k Cdn they cost when they first came out. Granted the $Cdn has gained quite a bit vs the greenback in that time (it is now worth $.90 US vs $0.71 in 2004, but that is still quite a drop and becoming a bargain if you can live with the car's idiosynchracies.
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