As does any the tune by any decent tuner. They can also reset the limiter to a higher level if desired.
Dave
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As does any the tune by any decent tuner. They can also reset the limiter to a higher level if desired.
Dave
BlackICE
GT Owner
Car and Driver estimates for the Veyron
Performance ratings (C/D est):
Zero to 60 mph: 2.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.0 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 11.0 sec
Zero to 200 mph: 22.0 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 10.8 sec @ 140 mph
Top speed (observed at governor): 253 mph
If that is true, I think Joe can top that with sticky tires. Although 2wd will be a disadvantage on the launch, the Veyron is pigger than the GT at 4300 vs. 3500 lbs. and Joe has more power.
It is interesting that the Veyron was featured many times on Top Gear, but never timed by the Stig. According to Wikipedia,
"Apparently, so far, Bugatti has not given Top Gear approval for a Power Lap in the Veyron in an attempt at the record time, now held by the Koenigsegg CCX (with the Top Gear spoiler). "
I would assume that it has ran by the Stig, but failed to do well compared to the more mundane cars, higher up on the list. Just as Ferrari now chooses not to participate in many shootouts. They don't want to compare their iconic cars to lesser vehicles.
So we are getting a road course at Toro for the rally? Do you know the layout and length of the course? Is a 1/4 mile drag strip in the pictures too?
My car ran a 10.9 1/4 mile on Pirelli Pcorsas with only 650 whp using a Kenne Bell 2.5 snout upgrade. A TT with the same Pirelli Pcorasas should be able to get into the 9's.
A TT'd Gt would kick the Veyrons ass in a mile.
The TT GT has more hp and less weight. The only advantage the Veyron could have would be is in the launch. Its already been shown with only 650 whp the Gt equals the Verons 1/4 mile time. What happens when you add another 500 to 700 whp?
By, by Bugatti!
A TT'd Gt would kick the Veyrons ass in a mile.
The TT GT has more hp and less weight. The only advantage the Veyron could have would be is in the launch. Its already been shown with only 650 whp the Gt equals the Verons 1/4 mile time. What happens when you add another 500 to 700 whp?
By, by Bugatti!
BlackICE
GT Owner
What size Pcorsa are you runnning. Any clearance problems? Is that front and rear, or only the rears?
Just on the rears, 345-30 or 35-19's. No rubbing issues. I have some Michellin cup's on the front.
I thought Joe's Ford GT TT was more around 3200 lbs now? The only problem the Ford GT would face at speeds exceeding 220+ mph would probably be lift issues. Does anyone know the max amount of speed the car can go w/o lift issues? Bony what about your little birdie lol
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BlackICE
GT Owner
I thought Joe's Ford GT TT was more around 3200 lbs now? The only problem the Ford GT would face at speeds exceeding 220+ mph would probably be lift issues. Does anyone know the max amount of speed the car can go w/o lift issues? Bony what about your little birdie lol
Weights vary see this thread
http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3258&page=2&highlight=scale
One owner's car
Weighed my Heritage with BBS wheels on an SCCA certified scale and it was
3,460 with about 1/4 tank of gas and a few odds and ends inside.
I rounded up with a full tank of gas to give the Veyron a chance!
Well I was referring to the loss of the blower and added TT setup lost a significant amount of weight on Joe's but thats another good point you brought up.
The Veyron went 10.2@143 in a Road and Track test. I believe the first Heffner TT car went 11.1@139 in Car and Driver. This just shows a) how much power the Veyron really has, and b) how bad tires can screw a high power rwd GT. You can go 11.1 with the right launch with just a pulley. Adding an extra 300hp didn't net C&D much under their brutal testing procedures, because power is irrelevant if you can't put it down. But 143 mph in the 1/4 is absurd, and the Veyron barely slows down in blasting past 200.
When Joe's car was going to go to the TM, they were only going to run it on stock tires. There is no way you are going to match the standing start acceleration of a Veyron with a 1450rwhp GT on stock tires, and I'm not sure there is a sticky tire you'd want to run at over 200mph. If it were a 60mph roll race, it'd be a different story.
The Pirelli Pcorsas are very sticky, I believe the wear rating is below 100, and they also have a very high speed rating. They are an example of a tire that would be very helpful for a good launch and stability at high speed.
Now, if Joe chose not to use something like the Pirelli's, that's his prerogative. But they provide substantially better tire to road friction than the stock tires, something that is needed for a good launch with a higher hp Gt and a superior 1 mile time compared to the Veyron.
Now, if Joe chose not to use something like the Pirelli's, that's his prerogative. But they provide substantially better tire to road friction than the stock tires, something that is needed for a good launch with a higher hp Gt and a superior 1 mile time compared to the Veyron.
BlackICE
GT Owner
I didn't know he was planning on using the stock Goodyear tires. A prudent move at FGT speeds. I wonder what the official maximum speed on the Hoosiers are. Z rated, but 149+ how many more mph? The FGT top end is so high and the car weights over 3500 lbs. That is a lot for tires to deal with. The Goodyears are the only tire tested on the car for those speeds. Recall what happened to the Hamster on Top Gear. At these hyper speed tire failure is a major concern.
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Not to look like an ass but why is everyone so heated up on Joe beating the Veyron when we all know that the Veyron was totally built around being a straight line car that can go very fast. The Ford GT was built to be a very well balanced super car and it does exactly that and I could tell you that a Veyron would never beat even a stock GT around a track. Just like a Hennessey Viper would never beat a stock Lotus Elise around a tight track. There are exceptions to this but you can also see a trend.
No offense DBK but I never trust car magazines because of their lack of details about their tests. I would rather trust the word of the actual owner of the car then the guy who drove it for an hour.
No offense DBK but I never trust car magazines because of their lack of details about their tests. I would rather trust the word of the actual owner of the car then the guy who drove it for an hour.
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So, even though the Pirelli Pcorsas have a speed rating of Y(the highest speed rating generally given any tire), and they are standard issue on the Porsche GT3 and the Ferrari Challenge Stradle( my spelling may not be correct), because Ford didn't test them on the car, they should not be used.
Using that logic any after market item that was not "tested" by Ford should not be used.
No Kenne Bell, no Whipple, no TT, no GTX, no Penske shocks, no Hoosiers, no SCT tune.
NO FUN!
Using that logic any after market item that was not "tested" by Ford should not be used.
No Kenne Bell, no Whipple, no TT, no GTX, no Penske shocks, no Hoosiers, no SCT tune.
NO FUN!
Those issues are totally different. A tire is what keeps a car attached to the road! Blowing a motor with too much power is one thing, having your tires disintegrate at 240mph in a street car is another. That's why the Joemobile was going to run stock tires, have a cage installed, and have high speed aero testing done before the event.
They are not different issues.
Has the GT been tested over 212 by Ford?
Will the car blow up if it goes faster, maybe, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED?.
Will the engine blow up if a certain speed is exceed, maybe who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the transmission blow up at 225 mph, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the Ford Gt tires be stable at 230mph, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED"
Will the car stay firmly planted at extreme speeds, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Stupid logic , all excesses of speed and acceleration have additional risk associated. You pays your money you takes your chances.
The Pirelli Tires are not in a separate category of risk. They are just as reasonable an item the put on the car to increase speed and acceleration as the TT kit. They are at least as good of tires as the Goodyear F1's.
But who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Has the GT been tested over 212 by Ford?
Will the car blow up if it goes faster, maybe, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED?.
Will the engine blow up if a certain speed is exceed, maybe who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the transmission blow up at 225 mph, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the Ford Gt tires be stable at 230mph, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED"
Will the car stay firmly planted at extreme speeds, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Stupid logic , all excesses of speed and acceleration have additional risk associated. You pays your money you takes your chances.
The Pirelli Tires are not in a separate category of risk. They are just as reasonable an item the put on the car to increase speed and acceleration as the TT kit. They are at least as good of tires as the Goodyear F1's.
But who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
They are not different issues.
Has the GT been tested over 212 by Ford?
Will the car blow up if it goes faster, maybe, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED?.
Will the engine blow up if a certain speed is exceed, maybe who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the transmission blow up at 225 mph, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the Ford Gt tires be stable at 230mph, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED"
Will the car stay firmly planted at extreme speeds, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Stupid logic , all excesses of speed and acceleration have additional risk associated. You pays your money you takes your chances.
The Pirelli Tires are not in a separate category of risk. They are just as reasonable an item the put on the car to increase speed and acceleration as the TT kit. They are at least as good of tires as the Goodyear F1's.
But who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Has the GT been tested over 212 by Ford?
Will the car blow up if it goes faster, maybe, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED?.
Will the engine blow up if a certain speed is exceed, maybe who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the transmission blow up at 225 mph, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the Ford Gt tires be stable at 230mph, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED"
Will the car stay firmly planted at extreme speeds, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Stupid logic , all excesses of speed and acceleration have additional risk associated. You pays your money you takes your chances.
The Pirelli Tires are not in a separate category of risk. They are just as reasonable an item the put on the car to increase speed and acceleration as the TT kit. They are at least as good of tires as the Goodyear F1's.
But who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
They are not different issues.
Has the GT been tested over 212 by Ford?
Will the car blow up if it goes faster, maybe, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED?.
Will the engine blow up if a certain speed is exceed, maybe who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the transmission blow up at 225 mph, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the Ford Gt tires be stable at 230mph, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED"
Will the car stay firmly planted at extreme speeds, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Stupid logic , all excesses of speed and acceleration have additional risk associated. You pays your money you takes your chances.
The Pirelli Tires are not in a separate category of risk. They are just as reasonable an item the put on the car to increase speed and acceleration as the TT kit. They are at least as good of tires as the Goodyear F1's.
But who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Has the GT been tested over 212 by Ford?
Will the car blow up if it goes faster, maybe, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED?.
Will the engine blow up if a certain speed is exceed, maybe who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the transmission blow up at 225 mph, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Will the Ford Gt tires be stable at 230mph, who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED"
Will the car stay firmly planted at extreme speeds, who knows IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
Stupid logic , all excesses of speed and acceleration have additional risk associated. You pays your money you takes your chances.
The Pirelli Tires are not in a separate category of risk. They are just as reasonable an item the put on the car to increase speed and acceleration as the TT kit. They are at least as good of tires as the Goodyear F1's.
But who knows, IT HASN"T BEEN TESTED.
BlackICE
GT Owner
Tires blowing at 220+ on a street car is most likely fatal, or at the very least, very serious injuries. If the engine, or transaxle blow, you have a chance of avoiding an accident. Tire safety factors are very dependent on the loads on the tire. I tire safe with a 800 lb load at 200 mph may blow with a 1200 lb load. Both the GT3 and 360CS are lighter and with less HP than Joe's GT, and both of those cars top speeds are less than 200 mph. With Joe's car at over 1400 hp, more weight and speed well over the stock GT's 212mph the tires will see much more stress than on a GT3 or 360CS.
In my opinion, Joe is a wise man for using the Goodyears, roll cage, getting the wind tunnel testing, and using a professional driver. These speeds are serious business.
Call me chicken little, I wouldn't want to even be a passenger in the car.
In my opinion, Joe is a wise man for using the Goodyears, roll cage, getting the wind tunnel testing, and using a professional driver. These speeds are serious business.
Call me chicken little, I wouldn't want to even be a passenger in the car.
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You have 0 information the the stock Eagle f1 tires are superior to the Pirelli, or conversely that the Pirellis are inferior to the Eagles.
Nobody is disagreeing with you that a tire blowout at high speeds is very dangerous. With the information presented, the Pirellis are no more, or no less dangerous than the Pirellis.
If that is indeed true, than the Pirellis area better choice because they will hook up better and because they are wider, they will probably shed heat better.
Nobody is disagreeing with you that a tire blowout at high speeds is very dangerous. With the information presented, the Pirellis are no more, or no less dangerous than the Pirellis.
If that is indeed true, than the Pirellis area better choice because they will hook up better and because they are wider, they will probably shed heat better.
BlackICE
GT Owner
We have better than 0 information on the F1s. The Goodyears were tested by Ford at Nardo doing 212 mph. They are designed especially for the GT. For high speed safety the Pirellis may be better, or may be worst, we just don't know. Zero information on the Pirellis at high speed on a GT. We do know the Pirellis grip better and are wider and wear out faster.
I wouldn't hesitate to use the Pirellis on the street or track, but not on all out top speed run. I would prefer the Pirellis to the Goodyears on my car, but then again I don't plan on driving at 200+ mph.
BYI, Calif Cuda can you post a picture of the Pirellis on the rear of your GT. I would like to get an idea on the look and fit compared to the F1.