Killer Chiller reduces intercooler temps

[spddmnjay]

I am very interested in a Killer Chiller in my Ford GT. Reduces the intercooler juice temperature and in turn reduces the IAT's.

http://www.killerchiller.com/

I have contacted Kiler Chiller to see if they have a "universal" system that can be installed in a GT. I'll keep all posted with the info I receive.

 

[BlackICE]

If I recall correctly, the system using electricity from your car to cool a reservoir of water, then when you go WOT it dumps the pre-cooled water into you intercooler system. The concern I have with the system is that the heat capacity of the small amount water is used is not enough to make a difference long term, much less than 10 secs of coolness. You will get a cooler IAT2 for a few seconds during the beginning of your pull. Maybe 3 seconds worth. Then you will have to wait many minutes for the system to cool the water again. If you find that useful given the complexity and cost of the system, go for it.

 

[spddmnjay]

If I recall correctly, the system using electricity from your car to cool a reservoir of water, then when you go WOT it dumps the pre-cooled water into you intercooler system. The concern I have with the system is that the heat capacity of the small amount water is used is not enough to make a difference long term, much less than 10 secs of coolness. You will get a cooler IAT2 for a few seconds during the beginning of your pull. Maybe 3 seconds worth. Then you will have to wait many minutes for the system to cool the water again. If you find that useful given the complexity and cost of the system, go for it.

I will ask the Killer Chiller guys about these very concerns and post the reply. Thanks for the input! :thumbsup

 

[tmcphail]

That's not the system they use now. I am working on a solution in regards to this already with the KC people. It would be done and active on my car by now if I wasn't currently in crazy locations like Sarasota to work on mystery GT's :willy:willy

 

[andymlow]

I can vouch for Torrie...he was spotted in Sarasota yesterday....I know nothing about mystery GT's though

 

[tmcphail]

I can vouch for Torrie...he was spotted in Sarasota yesterday....I know nothing about mystery GT's though

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

 

[spddmnjay]

That's not the system they use now. I am working on a solution in regards to this already with the KC people. It would be done and active on my car by now if I wasn't currently in crazy locations like Sarasota to work on mystery GT's :willy:willy

Hey Torrie: so if I understand correctly you are working with KC to make a system for the GT?

I spoke with Joe @ KC and he suggested that they have a system for the GT.

 

[tmcphail]

Hey Torrie: so if I understand correctly you are working with KC to make a system for the GT?

I spoke with Joe @ KC and he suggested that they have a system for the GT.

Correct, ask him who's car is the mule for it.

 

[spddmnjay]

Correct, ask him who's car is the mule for it.

So I assume that you are a believer in this system.

So I assume that the intercooler juice is continuely being chilled (all the time)...is this correct? In other words it is a system that is always on and doesn not turn on and off based on engine rpm, etc.

 

[tmcphail]

I have seen it function quite well on a handful of other vehicles, or else I wouldn't entertain the thought of using it on my own. I will get into specifically how well it works when we get the pieces installed on my car post rally and I get hard data from it.

So I assume that you are a believer in this system.

So I assume that the intercooler juice is continuely being chilled (all the time)...is this correct? In other words it is a system that is always on and doesn not turn on and off based on engine rpm, etc.

Much appreciated if you could explain the system to me because the KC website doesn't do a very good job at explaining how it works.

 

[spddmnjay]

I have seen it function quite well on a handful of other vehicles, or else I wouldn't entertain the thought of using it on my own. I will get into specifically how well it works when we get the pieces installed on my car post rally and I get hard data from it.

I can't wait to see the "Hard Data" and install pics :cheers

I will let Joe know that I am contact with about the KC system. :thumbsup

 

[tmcphail]

I can't wait to see the "Hard Data" and install pics :cheers

I will let Joe know that I am contact with about the KC system. :thumbsup

Trust me I wanted it done already for the Rally, that was the initial target. But other 'stuff' has pulled me away from that right now.

 

[californiacuda]

Every 10deg f drop in tempurature increased air density/oxygen content by 2%.

 

[spddmnjay]

Every 10deg f drop in tempurature increased air density/oxygen content by 2%.

= more HP/TQ :banana

 

[BlackICE]

I read about there newer system. It uses the stock A/C unit to cool the intercooler coolant. Here are some number from an SAE paper on keeping the FGT cool.

a/c condenser 500 btu/min
intercooler 2100 btu/min

So if you assume 100% of the heat removed from the a/c unit was being extracted from the intercooler it would increase the cooling capacity by 24%. Of course 100% never happens and your a/c wouldn't keep you cool then. Also note that any additional heat removed by the a/c condenser flows across the heat exchangers for the intercooler and engine, making them less effective compared to not using the a/c. I find this newer system to be much better than the old one using peltier cooling modules, but I still remain a skeptic for use on a road racing course, but on a dyno pull, street racing, or 1/4 mile one should see some improvement. If you ever looked at a trace of IAT2 you will be amazed at how fast it rises during a WOT pull. The cooling affect won't last long.

The main benifit is cooler IAT2 allow you to run more timing and lowers the parasitic loss from the blower. However running the A/C takes HP, but you can program that to turn off at WOT.

 

[tmcphail]

I have all of the components here just need to make it all fit together. After I see the results on my car I'll let everyone know.


However running the A/C takes HP, but you can program that to turn off at WOT

The car has been configured this way from day one.

I read about there newer system. It uses the stock A/C unit to cool the intercooler coolant. Here are some number from an SAE paper on keeping the FGT cool.

a/c condenser 500 btu/min
intercooler 2100 btu/min

So if you assume 100% of the heat removed from the a/c unit was being extracted from the intercooler it would increase the cooling capacity by 24%. Of course 100% never happens and your a/c wouldn't keep you cool then. Also note that any additional heat removed by the a/c condenser flows across the heat exchangers for the intercooler and engine, making them less effective compared to not using the a/c. I find this newer system to be much better than the old one using peltier cooling modules, but I still remain a skeptic for use on a road racing course, but on a dyno pull, street racing, or 1/4 mile one should see some improvement. If you ever looked at a trace of IAT2 you will be amazed at how fast it rises during a WOT pull. The cooling affect won't last long.

The main benifit is cooler IAT2 allow you to run more timing and lowers the parasitic loss from the blower. However running the A/C takes HP, but you can program that to turn off at WOT.

 

[BlackICE]

I have all of the components here just need to make it all fit together. After I see the results on my car I'll let everyone know.


However running the A/C takes HP, but you can program that to turn off at WOT

The car has been configured this way from day one.

Torrie, I look forward to your report. There are still a few days before the rally. :lol

As for the a/c the value file has the throttle counts at 670 to disable the a/c but the time to 0. So my interpretation is the a/c will stay on. Am I missing something?

 

[tmcphail]

Torrie, I look forward to your report. There are still a few days before the rally. :lol

As for the a/c the value file has the throttle counts at 670 to disable the a/c but the time to 0. So my interpretation is the a/c will stay on. Am I missing something?

Change the MISC>Time to Disable AC at WOT:

to the value of your choice to accomplish this.