Trust me. Every poll taken on the subject says the majority of us DO feel the same way on this issue... the majority IS on the same page.
Trust me. Every poll taken on the subject says the majority of us DO feel the same way on this issue... the majority IS on the same page.
Wow! Every day I find some new heros on this Forum.
I think I've traced my lineage to the 4th boat to arrive in the US, but I can't be sure because we were rowing! I'm old school. If you can't speak English, GET THBE HELL OUT. iF you do not wish not to make English your spoken language and that of your children, GET THE HELL OUT. If you do not remounce your current foreign citizenship, GET THE HELL OUT. If you send money earned in the US to a foreign country, GET THE HELL OUT. However, if you want to make the US your permanent home, become a productive part of the American society, obey its laws, be willing to defend America with your life and the lives of your chioldren, and leave a wonderful legacy of future generations of foreigh born Americans, WELCOME !
I think I've traced my lineage to the 4th boat to arrive in the US, but I can't be sure because we were rowing! I'm old school. If you can't speak English, GET THBE HELL OUT. iF you do not wish not to make English your spoken language and that of your children, GET THE HELL OUT. If you do not remounce your current foreign citizenship, GET THE HELL OUT. If you send money earned in the US to a foreign country, GET THE HELL OUT. However, if you want to make the US your permanent home, become a productive part of the American society, obey its laws, be willing to defend America with your life and the lives of your chioldren, and leave a wonderful legacy of future generations of foreigh born Americans, WELCOME !
I just did a search on a Time Magazine poll concerning illegal immigration. Most of the responses were unfavorable. But when the question was asked,
"Should illegal immigrants be deported to their country of origin", 47% said yes, 49% said no.
It's easy to say the it is not good for the country, but when its comes to the hard part of actually doing something about it, there is not a consensus and that is one of the primary reasons the situation continues.
"Should illegal immigrants be deported to their country of origin", 47% said yes, 49% said no.
It's easy to say the it is not good for the country, but when its comes to the hard part of actually doing something about it, there is not a consensus and that is one of the primary reasons the situation continues.
Kirby - you need to be a little less "wishy-washy" about your position on this!:rofl
(But, you forgot to list "come here legally in the 1st place".)
MK2_GT
GTX1 Owner
- Mar 25, 2006
- 795
You are still not telling me how you would do it. The rape analogy does not make sense because 10 criminals is not 20 million people.
The two border agents who shot and killed some drug running illegals last year and where convicted are "our guys". But in today's world I feel sorry for police and INS, their mandate does not seem to be clear.
The same way you eat an elephant....
....one bite at a time.
The same way the Highway Patrol deals with mass speeding. If 10,000 people are all doing 25MPH over the limit, you pull one over and write a ticket. Then another, and another, and another. As drivers see others pulled over getting tickets, they slow down. You don't throw up your hands and say "I can't ticket them all so I won't ticket any, I'll just make speeding legal". Until recently the Border Patrol conducted a lot of inland raids which made illegals less secure with their employment. We have stopped that almost completely. The border patrol must catch them at or near the border or they are scott free. Enforce todays laws any time and everytime you can. We don't catch 80% of bank robbers today. Amazing eh. BUT, people are still reluctant to do it because if you do get caught the law is gonna crush you. In neighborhoods near my store many illegals own homes and cars. If one is picked up, jailed, hit with the maximum fines as per the laws on the books NOW, requiring the seizing of his home and car, then deported, it will have a big impact on his neighbors. Once you pick up 3 or 4 they become very insecure. And criminals need to feel insecure. They need to feel the heat. Every knock on their door should cause their heart to jump. We need to make them feel like the criminals that they are. We now make them secure enough to take our a mortgage!! We don't need to catch 20 million people, we need to catch and hammer 1 million illegals and most of the rest will get the hell out of Dodge. And if that fails (it wouldn't if it was enforced) then this nation as a homoginous english speaking principled christian and free land, is lost. We might as well go down with a fight.
Chip
....one bite at a time.
The same way the Highway Patrol deals with mass speeding. If 10,000 people are all doing 25MPH over the limit, you pull one over and write a ticket. Then another, and another, and another. As drivers see others pulled over getting tickets, they slow down. You don't throw up your hands and say "I can't ticket them all so I won't ticket any, I'll just make speeding legal". Until recently the Border Patrol conducted a lot of inland raids which made illegals less secure with their employment. We have stopped that almost completely. The border patrol must catch them at or near the border or they are scott free. Enforce todays laws any time and everytime you can. We don't catch 80% of bank robbers today. Amazing eh. BUT, people are still reluctant to do it because if you do get caught the law is gonna crush you. In neighborhoods near my store many illegals own homes and cars. If one is picked up, jailed, hit with the maximum fines as per the laws on the books NOW, requiring the seizing of his home and car, then deported, it will have a big impact on his neighbors. Once you pick up 3 or 4 they become very insecure. And criminals need to feel insecure. They need to feel the heat. Every knock on their door should cause their heart to jump. We need to make them feel like the criminals that they are. We now make them secure enough to take our a mortgage!! We don't need to catch 20 million people, we need to catch and hammer 1 million illegals and most of the rest will get the hell out of Dodge. And if that fails (it wouldn't if it was enforced) then this nation as a homoginous english speaking principled christian and free land, is lost. We might as well go down with a fight.
Chip
canibl
GT Owner
MK2_GT
GTX1 Owner
- Mar 25, 2006
- 795
Whatever we think (and we tend to agree on most points) your rhetoric about criminals fearing the night is not the right way to think about this.
A lot of the illegal are just looking for a better life and trying to provide for their family and they came to this country (yes illegally but its not the same as murder...lets face it, there are levels of crimes)...
I am all for the rule of law but state of fear you propose is not going to work. This is coming from a republican conservative BTW. I respect other peoples opinions but I really think it will not work.
Let me give you an example. Out of the million you propose we "capture" for lack of a better word ...just based on percentages, you will probably round up a few who are legal. As soon as one lawsuit is presented , there will be more.
Our justice system would grind to a halt under the weight of the actual million illegals that are hauled away with people challenging the laws of this country. It is not as easy as some make it seem. To barge into someone's house , or ask them for papers or ID etc. you have to have an enormity of evidence and or due process (its the laws of the country we love) because it is set up that way, the cost, time and work associated with it is disproportionate to the end result. All this enormous amount of energy you propose we spend on kicking people out can be better spent on preventing any more from getting in.
Deport the criminals immediately, no questions asked (approximately 300,000)
Grant citizenship to any head of house hold who holds a job.
Tax them as we tax everyone else. (maybe even hand out a fine to the business that employed them!)
Build a massive wall and guard it with the tax money collected doing the funding of the process.
I am saying the same thing over and over and so are you...probably the truth is in the middle of both of us. Not as strong as your opinion and not as lax as mine :thumbsup
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That's why all crime is committed.
ALL crime is committed by someone that wants to better their life. Robbery, speeding, rape, car theft, you name it, are all committed by individuals that want to improve their personal circumstances and they are willing to harm others to do it. Nothing is OK on a large scale that is not OK on a small scale. Unless you are willing to allow illegals to use and trash your SS# (as they have 2 of my step daughters), use and trash your health insurance, and draw funds from your personal checking account, you cannot say it's OK to excuse these criminals doing it to Americans collectively. It's not murder, but it's far more serious than car theft and bank robbery. The average bank robber gets less than $1000 dollars. The average car theft costs the victim $11,000. The average illegal alien costs U.S. Citizens nearly $100,000.00!!!! Oh yeah, nearly 1/5 of all murders in the U.S. today are committed by illegals. The core liberal principal has always been, ---"I see someone who I think is in need, I will give him someone else's money, I am a good person!" Illegal apologists take this a step further to--"I see someone who is poorer than me, I feel sorry for him, he is committing crimes against my neighbors to get richer but I will not hold him accountable because....I am compassionate!" Giving away other peoples money is not charity, and excusing criminal acts by the poor is not compasson.
MK2 and ChipBeck probably have a ton in common. I hope to see you at the CA Rally and the drinks are on me. :cheers It's OK to disagree on this, just don't call my banana yellow GT ugly.:banana :banana :biggrin
Chip
ALL crime is committed by someone that wants to better their life. Robbery, speeding, rape, car theft, you name it, are all committed by individuals that want to improve their personal circumstances and they are willing to harm others to do it. Nothing is OK on a large scale that is not OK on a small scale. Unless you are willing to allow illegals to use and trash your SS# (as they have 2 of my step daughters), use and trash your health insurance, and draw funds from your personal checking account, you cannot say it's OK to excuse these criminals doing it to Americans collectively. It's not murder, but it's far more serious than car theft and bank robbery. The average bank robber gets less than $1000 dollars. The average car theft costs the victim $11,000. The average illegal alien costs U.S. Citizens nearly $100,000.00!!!! Oh yeah, nearly 1/5 of all murders in the U.S. today are committed by illegals. The core liberal principal has always been, ---"I see someone who I think is in need, I will give him someone else's money, I am a good person!" Illegal apologists take this a step further to--"I see someone who is poorer than me, I feel sorry for him, he is committing crimes against my neighbors to get richer but I will not hold him accountable because....I am compassionate!" Giving away other peoples money is not charity, and excusing criminal acts by the poor is not compasson.
MK2 and ChipBeck probably have a ton in common. I hope to see you at the CA Rally and the drinks are on me. :cheers It's OK to disagree on this, just don't call my banana yellow GT ugly.:banana :banana :biggrin
Chip