ChipBeck said:
Same deal here in Fresno, PD does not cooperate with INA, only if the crime ia major felony and they then work towards deportation. Yes Chip, we lost our country.
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Same deal here in Fresno, PD does not cooperate with INA, only if the crime ia major felony and they then work towards deportation. Yes Chip, we lost our country.
ViperJoe
GT Owner
FlorIdaho Chris
Yeah, I've got one.
jasper
GT Owner
Florida Chris said:
wouldn't rush down just yet chris.
all new parents are given $4k by the feds as a bonus, we have kids here as
young as 12 giving birth to collect, and they do. work it out
what sort of life are these children going to live? they themselves will be on
the street by the time they are 6.
won't go into public housing estates.
Fubar
Totally ****** Up
In Dallas, if a defendant admits to being illegal, DPD alerts INS immediately (Immigration and Naturalization Services). INS keeps someone on staff in the Dallas jail 5 days a week to determine what to do with people.
INS doesn't deport illegals on all charges, but about 50% of misdemeanors and 95% of felonies (as you know 83% of all statistics all made up on the spot). Even if the defendant has a work visa they will deport him on most felonies (unless he has a lawyer).
INS doesn't deport illegals on all charges, but about 50% of misdemeanors and 95% of felonies (as you know 83% of all statistics all made up on the spot). Even if the defendant has a work visa they will deport him on most felonies (unless he has a lawyer).
Empty Pockets
ex-GT Owner
Chip: "just the start"
What would you like to bet that if you posted a sign outside your place that read:"Due to continual, large, daily shoplifting losses predominately caused by illegal Latino's whom the police refuse to arrest, no Latino's are allowed in this establishment w/o proof of citizenship as a matter of economic survival. Sorry" - YOUR BUTT WOULD BE OFF TO JAIL IN A HEARTBEAT!
The local - and national - press would call you a racist bigot and a civil rights violator and whatever else they could come up with ... the ACLU would sue yur butt - and the REVERENDS(?) Sharpton & Jackson would be standing in front of your place (in front of a dozen T.V. cameras, of coarse) screaming for you blood. AND NOT A ONE OF THEM WOULD GIVE A GALLOPIN' CLANG ABOUT THE FINANCIAL LOSSES THAT PROMPTED THE WHOLE THING IN THE FIRST PLACE. IN FACT - THEY'D NEVER BE MENTIONED.
'Suggestion, Chip? As far as I know, it's STILL not "illegal(!)" for you to have an employee "shadow" whomever you wish around your place to prevent theft. A grocery store where I worked as a kid routinely had us follow about 4 feet behind known, as well as suspected, shoplifters. These crumbs "got the picture" within two or three "treatments" & didn't return. You might try that. It worked effectively "back then".
But, there's NO QUESTION AT ALL that illegals have more rights and "freebees" of all types in this country than any of us CITIZENS who work(ed) for a living. It's disgusting. And we can lay it all at the doorstep of the "politically correct" liberal types, their comrades in the press, and the gutless wonders in government who allow it - and pass laws that encourage it. It makes one wanna PUKE.
On a personal level, I make it a point to shove "P.C." positions voiced in my presence back down the throat of whomever utters it right on the spot. I won't stand for it. And I don't care WHOM I "offend" doing it. ( For the sake of friendship and respect for their "turf", I just plain avoid gatherings at friends/business assoc homes, etc., wherein I KNOW there'll be a lotta "libs" around. EG: my broker is on the board of directors at the local college ... he hosted a college "fund raiser" at his home this summer & invited my wife & I. I told him he didn't want me there among those people (mostly lawyers & professors, etc.) and I explained why. He didn't push it. I didn't go either!)
Oooops! Sorry! My soapbox just sorta "appears" every once in a while! I'll shut up now... :willy
E.P.
What would you like to bet that if you posted a sign outside your place that read:"Due to continual, large, daily shoplifting losses predominately caused by illegal Latino's whom the police refuse to arrest, no Latino's are allowed in this establishment w/o proof of citizenship as a matter of economic survival. Sorry" - YOUR BUTT WOULD BE OFF TO JAIL IN A HEARTBEAT!
The local - and national - press would call you a racist bigot and a civil rights violator and whatever else they could come up with ... the ACLU would sue yur butt - and the REVERENDS(?) Sharpton & Jackson would be standing in front of your place (in front of a dozen T.V. cameras, of coarse) screaming for you blood. AND NOT A ONE OF THEM WOULD GIVE A GALLOPIN' CLANG ABOUT THE FINANCIAL LOSSES THAT PROMPTED THE WHOLE THING IN THE FIRST PLACE. IN FACT - THEY'D NEVER BE MENTIONED.
'Suggestion, Chip? As far as I know, it's STILL not "illegal(!)" for you to have an employee "shadow" whomever you wish around your place to prevent theft. A grocery store where I worked as a kid routinely had us follow about 4 feet behind known, as well as suspected, shoplifters. These crumbs "got the picture" within two or three "treatments" & didn't return. You might try that. It worked effectively "back then".
But, there's NO QUESTION AT ALL that illegals have more rights and "freebees" of all types in this country than any of us CITIZENS who work(ed) for a living. It's disgusting. And we can lay it all at the doorstep of the "politically correct" liberal types, their comrades in the press, and the gutless wonders in government who allow it - and pass laws that encourage it. It makes one wanna PUKE.
On a personal level, I make it a point to shove "P.C." positions voiced in my presence back down the throat of whomever utters it right on the spot. I won't stand for it. And I don't care WHOM I "offend" doing it. ( For the sake of friendship and respect for their "turf", I just plain avoid gatherings at friends/business assoc homes, etc., wherein I KNOW there'll be a lotta "libs" around. EG: my broker is on the board of directors at the local college ... he hosted a college "fund raiser" at his home this summer & invited my wife & I. I told him he didn't want me there among those people (mostly lawyers & professors, etc.) and I explained why. He didn't push it. I didn't go either!)
Oooops! Sorry! My soapbox just sorta "appears" every once in a while! I'll shut up now... :willy
E.P.
Empty Pockets said:
we gotta get a dna test, i think you are my long lost twin brother, bravo for your post :biggrin
Fubar said:
I wish that would be the case. I am of the Police Chief's Foundation, executive committee. Our P.D.'s leadership insists that we need the cooperation of everyone, legal and illegal to solve crimes. I find it hard to swallow, but accept it.
On the flip side, I am sure my gardeners helpers, and housekeeper don't have papers. So I suppose I am talking our of both sides of my mouth...
ACRJoe said:
Trying to reason with an Illegal Mexican
This is good! Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of
circular logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your
adversary, just say what you think makes a new case when the previous
case gets too difficult to defend. On the streets of downtown Houston,
May 1, 2006.
Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station:
Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are marching
in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your cause
and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest?
Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will
bring Houston to its knees!
Jim: What rights?
Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the
benefits you get.
Jim: When did you come to the United States?
Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven other
friends.
Jim: Why did you come?
Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in
Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to
school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will
have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!
Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you
came?
Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a
right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green
Cards.
Jim: How did you acquire those documents?
Juan: From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money too.
Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?
Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.
Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?
Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read
it!
Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about
rights for Aliens.
Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights,
like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came
here.
Jim: I think you are referring to the Declaration of Independence and
that document speaks to unalienable rights ... Not Alien rights.
Juan: Whatever.
Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then are
you carrying a Mexican Flag?
Juan: Because I am Mexican.
Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty ... To become a US
citizen.
Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of
Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its
rightful owner.
Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with Mexico,
Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA. It was
not stolen from Mexico.
Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, New
Mexico and Arizona. It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos
steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.
Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?
Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over
the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans
out. How is this fair?
Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.
Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has to right to live, work, and
speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's
another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in
Spanish. Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in
Houston will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!
Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper
documentation, what rights would I have there?
Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.
Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live
wherever they please.
Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want
Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico.
Why would you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service,
schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even
own land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth.
Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue.
Thank you for your comments.
Juan: Viva Mexico!!!
Bony,
All I can say is ...... :frown
Sucks for people like me who have worked since I was 16 and will get around the same Social Security as immigrants that work 5 years an retire. So on top of SS, I choose to pay into a roth IRA ON TOP OF THAT because I can't rely on SS, yet can't say screw it and opt out of SS. :frown
All I can say is ...... :frown
Sucks for people like me who have worked since I was 16 and will get around the same Social Security as immigrants that work 5 years an retire. So on top of SS, I choose to pay into a roth IRA ON TOP OF THAT because I can't rely on SS, yet can't say screw it and opt out of SS. :frown
> "Tag. You're it"...Then and NOW....it's an interesting read.
>
>This country is so obsessed with political correctness that it is
>destroying itself and it's culture.
>
>
>
>
>
> Scenario: Jack pulls into his high school parking
> lot with shotgun in gun rack.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at
> Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his to show
> Jack. They discuss hunting and the shooting sports
> and agree to hunt Jack's dad's farm for pheasant
> later in the week.
>
>
>
> 2006 - School goes into lockdown, local police and
> the FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never
> sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in
> for traumatized students and teachers.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Seven year-old Bobby give seven-year-old Jennifer
>
> a little kiss on the cheek on the school playground.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Bobby and Jennifer become best friends all through school,
>
> date in high school, and marry after graduating. They raise a wonderful
>family.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Teacher calls police, files sexual assault charge against Bobby,
>
> who is arrested and handcuffed and hauled off to jail. Jennifer is so
>traumatized
>
> by the whole thing she has to be taken home. Bobby is suspended from
>school
>
> and grows up to hate women.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: An apartment manager calls the local police and reports
>
> that the mother of a small boy has abandoned the boy in the unit while
>she works.
>
>
>
> 1973 - A police officer arrives at the apartment. The manager uses a
>pass key to open
>
> door to the rental and they discover a bedroom door roped shut from the
>outside. The
>
> police officer carefully opens the door and finds the little boy in the
>dark, watching a
>
> western movie on TV, with his cap pistol in his hand. The mother is
>arrested for child
>
> endangerment.
>
>
>
> 2006 - The police officer unties the rope holding the door shut, draws
>his gun, carefully
>
> opens the door, sees a glint of a cap gun and shoots, killing the little
>boy. He 'feared for his safety' and the shooting is ruled justifiable. The
>mother no longer has a son to take care of. The fact that the police
>officer was advised that the little boy was in the apartment alone was not
>allowed in the court hearing concerning the shooting.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after
> school.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark
> shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to
> jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests
> Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both
> expelled even though Johnny started it. Both
> students forced to attend mandatory counseling for
> "bullying" and "conflict resolution."
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Five-year-old kindergarten boys play cops and
>
> robbers during recess, using their fingers as guns.
>
>
>
>
>
> 1973 - Three of the boys grow up to be policemen. Some
>
> of the other boys grow up to target shoot, hunt, fish, and
>
> serve in the military. Kidplay is kidplay.
>
>
>
> 2006 - The boys are all suspended from kindergarten for five days
>
> for imitating 'guns' with their fingers. Parents are called in and
>
> grilled by school officials about whether they own firearms. A police
>
> officer also speaks to the parents about the danger of citizens owning
>
> or even pretending to use firearms, even for their own protection, the
>
> protection of their families, property, and community.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts
> other students.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good
> paddling by Principal. Sits still in class.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes
> a zombie. School gets extra money from state
> because Jeffrey has a disability.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car
> and his Dad gives him a whipping.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up
> normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful
> businessman.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse.
> Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang.
> Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that
> she remembers being abused herself and their Dad
> goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with
> psychologist.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some
> headache medicine to school.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Mark shares headache medicine with Principal
> out on the smoking dock.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for
> drug violations. Car searched for drugs and
> weapons.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Mary turns up pregnant.
>
>
>
> 1973 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her
> senior year at a special school for expectant
> mothers.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Middle School Counselor calls Planned
> Parenthood, who notifies the ACLU. Mary is driven
> to the next state over and gets an abortion without
> her parent's consent or knowledge. Mary given
> condoms and told to be more careful next time.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
>
>
>
> 1973: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
>
>
>
> 2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state democratic
> party. Newspaper articles appear nationally
> explaining that teaching English as a requirement
> for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action
> lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's
> English teacher. English banned from core
> curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up
> mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak
> English.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers
> from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane
> paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Ants die.
>
>
>
> 2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny
> charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates
> parents, siblings removed from home, computers
> confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch
> list and is never allowed to fly again.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess
> and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his
> teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him and
> cleans and bandages his scrape.
>
>
>
> 1973 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator
> and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State
> Prison. School reassesses, studies the "problem" and
> decides children might get hurt during recess.
> School cancels "Tag, you're it" in the future because
> children may take part in "harmful activities"
> during recess.
>
>
>
>
>
>This country is so obsessed with political correctness that it is
>destroying itself and it's culture.
>
>
>
>
>
> Scenario: Jack pulls into his high school parking
> lot with shotgun in gun rack.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at
> Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his to show
> Jack. They discuss hunting and the shooting sports
> and agree to hunt Jack's dad's farm for pheasant
> later in the week.
>
>
>
> 2006 - School goes into lockdown, local police and
> the FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never
> sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in
> for traumatized students and teachers.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Seven year-old Bobby give seven-year-old Jennifer
>
> a little kiss on the cheek on the school playground.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Bobby and Jennifer become best friends all through school,
>
> date in high school, and marry after graduating. They raise a wonderful
>family.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Teacher calls police, files sexual assault charge against Bobby,
>
> who is arrested and handcuffed and hauled off to jail. Jennifer is so
>traumatized
>
> by the whole thing she has to be taken home. Bobby is suspended from
>school
>
> and grows up to hate women.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: An apartment manager calls the local police and reports
>
> that the mother of a small boy has abandoned the boy in the unit while
>she works.
>
>
>
> 1973 - A police officer arrives at the apartment. The manager uses a
>pass key to open
>
> door to the rental and they discover a bedroom door roped shut from the
>outside. The
>
> police officer carefully opens the door and finds the little boy in the
>dark, watching a
>
> western movie on TV, with his cap pistol in his hand. The mother is
>arrested for child
>
> endangerment.
>
>
>
> 2006 - The police officer unties the rope holding the door shut, draws
>his gun, carefully
>
> opens the door, sees a glint of a cap gun and shoots, killing the little
>boy. He 'feared for his safety' and the shooting is ruled justifiable. The
>mother no longer has a son to take care of. The fact that the police
>officer was advised that the little boy was in the apartment alone was not
>allowed in the court hearing concerning the shooting.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after
> school.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark
> shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to
> jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests
> Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both
> expelled even though Johnny started it. Both
> students forced to attend mandatory counseling for
> "bullying" and "conflict resolution."
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Five-year-old kindergarten boys play cops and
>
> robbers during recess, using their fingers as guns.
>
>
>
>
>
> 1973 - Three of the boys grow up to be policemen. Some
>
> of the other boys grow up to target shoot, hunt, fish, and
>
> serve in the military. Kidplay is kidplay.
>
>
>
> 2006 - The boys are all suspended from kindergarten for five days
>
> for imitating 'guns' with their fingers. Parents are called in and
>
> grilled by school officials about whether they own firearms. A police
>
> officer also speaks to the parents about the danger of citizens owning
>
> or even pretending to use firearms, even for their own protection, the
>
> protection of their families, property, and community.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts
> other students.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good
> paddling by Principal. Sits still in class.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes
> a zombie. School gets extra money from state
> because Jeffrey has a disability.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car
> and his Dad gives him a whipping.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up
> normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful
> businessman.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse.
> Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang.
> Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that
> she remembers being abused herself and their Dad
> goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with
> psychologist.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some
> headache medicine to school.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Mark shares headache medicine with Principal
> out on the smoking dock.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for
> drug violations. Car searched for drugs and
> weapons.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Mary turns up pregnant.
>
>
>
> 1973 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her
> senior year at a special school for expectant
> mothers.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Middle School Counselor calls Planned
> Parenthood, who notifies the ACLU. Mary is driven
> to the next state over and gets an abortion without
> her parent's consent or knowledge. Mary given
> condoms and told to be more careful next time.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
>
>
>
> 1973: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
>
>
>
> 2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state democratic
> party. Newspaper articles appear nationally
> explaining that teaching English as a requirement
> for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action
> lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's
> English teacher. English banned from core
> curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up
> mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak
> English.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers
> from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane
> paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
>
>
>
> 1973 - Ants die.
>
>
>
> 2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny
> charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates
> parents, siblings removed from home, computers
> confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch
> list and is never allowed to fly again.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess
> and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his
> teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him and
> cleans and bandages his scrape.
>
>
>
> 1973 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
>
>
>
> 2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator
> and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State
> Prison. School reassesses, studies the "problem" and
> decides children might get hurt during recess.
> School cancels "Tag, you're it" in the future because
> children may take part in "harmful activities"
> during recess.
>
>
>
>
