stability control, ESP, traction control


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GTED

GT Owner
Apr 4, 2006
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Hi all

I might get spanked for even asking the question here......:ack Has anyone looked into whether there is any aftermarket (or from other Ford models) stability control type of electronic-aids available for the GTs? It might have been able to prevent some of the cold weather/tires accidents.

GTED
 
Look at the old threads on this. Won't happen.
 
Racelogic in England makes an aftermarket traction control system, I think there have been some previous posts, seems like there was possible difficulty using it on a GT.

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/?show=Traction_Control
 
I've got a friend looking into this (Racelogic) for his high HP 996 GT2. Racelogic says it won't work if the car has "misfire detection". Do the Ford GT's have "misfire detection"?? I don't know. If it does NOT, then this MIGHT work. With "dial in slip control", it might even work better than an educated right foot.
 
Yes, I'd agree. Stability Control should be viewed as a skill-development tool, in addition to being an electronic driver's-aid. It allows lesser skilled driver to experience to assisted-limit of the car. I also would like to clarify the terminology stability control is to minimize chances for a moving car to spin out in turns or in high speed avoidance moves, while traction control is to minimize wheel slippage when going on a straight line on slippery surface.

If there is a product out there, I'd definitely consider it. The last time I check my right foot told me I'm not M. Schumacher..:frown

GTED

Superfly said:
I've got a friend looking into this (Racelogic) for his high HP 996 GT2. Racelogic says it won't work if the car has "misfire detection". Do the Ford GT's have "misfire detection"?? I don't know. If it does NOT, then this MIGHT work. With "dial in slip control", it might even work better than an educated right foot.
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The Gt engine does not have misfire detection (knock sensors).
 
The FGT does have misfire detection, but it can be turned off in a custom tune. The ECU uses the crankshaft's position sensor to time crank rotation, if a misfire occurs the rotation between the misfiring cylinder and the next will be slower.

I believe that the Racelogic unit may work on the FGT if one builds custom interface logic to control the 16 injectors vs. only the 8 that Racelogic knows about.
 
I have a friend who has done a aftermarket kit on the Shelby Gt500 as his street car makes a 900+rwhp. It slows down/disrupts the signal to the coils to reduce tire speed. He shut the factory traction control off due to the fact that it acts too slow and kills the motor too hard upon tire spin. He is working on tryin to make a kit for my car, but the only problem is that the kit uses drive shaft speed and on the GT there is no drive shaft and the only sensor is the speed sensor on the transaxle for wheel speed. So they are looking at taking the signal from that to control the box. It is very possible for this to work. Shuting off the injectors is a bad thing todo on boosted cars as it causes a lean condition. On his car this system detects wheel slip within 3-4inches of tire movement. It is simply amazing.
 
B.M.F. said:
...Shuting off the injectors is a bad thing todo on boosted cars as it causes a lean condition...
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Wouldn't the cylinder misfire if the injectors or turned off completely during the time cycle of a given cylinder? I know that residual gas is is still in the short intake runners, but during the times you would use it, the engine should be warm and the RPM moderate to high. Under those conditions I would guess the mixture would still be too lean to detonate or even ignite. Am I off my rocker with this line of thinking?
 
BlackICE said:
Wouldn't the cylinder misfire if the injectors or turned off completely during the time cycle of a given cylinder? I know that residual gas is is still in the short intake runners, but during the times you would use it, the engine should be warm and the RPM moderate to high. Under those conditions I would guess the mixture would still be too lean to detonate or even ignite. Am I off my rocker with this line of thinking?
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You may be right, all i know is If i have a 800-1400rwhp car the last thing i want to be doing is shut'n fuel off for anything. This system he is working with cuts spark and not fuel and this is all know as i am not a expert. He told me it slows the dwell time down to the coil, in which it pretty much just retards the timing a certain programmed amount.
 
B.M.F. said:
You may be right, all i know is If i have a 800-1400rwhp car the last thing i want to be doing is shut'n fuel off for anything. This system he is working with cuts spark and not fuel and this is all know as i am not a expert. He told me it slows the dwell time down to the coil, in which it pretty much just retards the timing a certain programmed amount.
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If you cut spark and use the system a lot, e.g. during a road course, the unburned gas with find its way into the oil and diluting it, making the oil less effective. For an a few drag run probably less of a problem. However I would change the oil much more frequently.
 
BlackICE said:
If you cut spark and use the system a lot, e.g. during a road course, the unburned gas with find its way into the oil and diluting it, making the oil less effective. For an a few drag run probably less of a problem. However I would change the oil much more frequently.
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On a the motor the only place for the extra unburnt gas to go would be past the rings, and the mod motor uses such a small bore that there is no if hardly any blow by even with alot of boost, so i don't think there would be a problem. I quess a person would have to try with and with out and send the oil to be analyzed from both back to back tests.
 
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