New Generation Eaton Blower
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Maybe that's why the ZR1 hood has what looks like a relatively easily removed glass over the SC...so a bigger after-market blower can replace the stock one. :banana:banana
Is this a fact or merely conjecture? Please state your sources.
As far as being a "wannabe supercar," it is quite clear that it will easily outperform a FGT stock for stock...so what does that say about our cars? :confused
Fubar
Totally ****** Up
Doc this isn't the Corvette Forum. Currently their are zero ZR1s to compare to a GT so any discussion about it is moot. I have said many times the Corvette is probably the best 'bang for the buck.' I still don't want one. What does that say about the 'vette (nothing it just means I don't want one).
Fast Freddy
GPS'D 225 MPH
i run a 2.3L whipple on my BIG block chevy muscle boat and i will be puttin a 3.3L whipple on my ford GT :usa mod your ZR-1 all you want and meet me at the track......
Um, so how does that answer my question again? Where did you obtain the data to support your statement:
Dustin,
I was just reporting was what was written in Autoweek. I'm not an SC expert. I think GM has probably done lots of testing with this set up. They say it's quieter and more efficient. Keep up the good work !!
Thanks, Fubar, I guess I'm on the wrong website. :bored
You and I both know that the C6Z06 is just as fast as a stock GT. If you have any doubt that the ZR1 will be faster than the Z06, I'll be happy to take that bet. I'll make the fearless prediction that a stock ZR1 will give a pullied FGT a good run for its money.
Whether or not you want one is immaterial. What I question is FastFreddy calling it a "wannabe supercar." A supercar is determined by its performance, period, and even the Z06 passes this test, so the ZR1 is a shoe in.
BlackICE
GT Owner
Who cares, which one is really faster, or bang for the buck. You can buy a race car for less then 50K that will beat both the ZR1, Z06 and FGT. The right car at the right price is the one you want and feel comfortable paying for.
Fubar
Totally ****** Up
Alright, let do this... You and I DONT both know the Z06 will beat (or hang with) a stock GT on the track. I can say from personal experience that I walked all over a modified Z06 in my stock GT. The Z06 was driven by a much more experienced driver also. I felt bad for him.
Second, while you are likely correct that the new ZR1 will exceed the GT capability on many points I doubt that it will be better on all performance points.
Lastly, under NO circumstance is performance the ONLY characteristic that defines a Supercar, if that were true every modified Mustang would qualify and most of the new Shelby’s. Supercar status is achieved by making a wild car that captures the imagination and soul, it must combine performance and function and be DIFFERENT (this is where the corvette always fails).
Look in all the magazines, when they list Supercars... it’s the Zonda S, and the Ferrari Enzo (I'm not sure that the 430 qualifies anymore), the Bugatti, ect...
I sorry my friend but unless Corvette does something radical to the car besides slap on some compressed air... it will just be an upgraded corvette.
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Fubar, your experience is not statistically significant. Every magazine that has tested both cars, whether straight line or around a track, has showed the Z06 to be within a few tenths of a FGT.
I OWN both vehicles, and can tell you that my (equally statistically insignificant experience) is that they run similar lap times at MSR Houston, while obviously having different handling characteristics.
We're talking about STOCK vehicles, Fubar. I have a highly modified twin turbo Mustang that will run circles around a stock FGT, but you'll never hear anyone calling it a supercar. Any stock vehicle that is in the top few percentile of performance is a supercar, period....and no current Shelby is even close. No S197 chassis based product can ever corner like a supercar, period.
The Corvette may not be an EXOTIC car, due to its production numbers, any you clearly don't like it....but you cannot deny the ZR1's (and Z06's) supercar credentials.
The ZR1 is going to run over 200 mph, accelerate faster than a FGT or Viper, brake at least as well, and turn in comparable if not better lap times. And they will be building 2000 or less per year (I know of another car we are all partial to that was built in those numbers. :wink)
Clearly the FGT is an exotic, and the ZR1 is not, due to it's Corvette roots. But if Ford cranked out 30,000 GT's a year at $70k each, that would not make it any less of a supercar.
I suppose you and I can debate definitions and split hairs between super and exotic cars ad nauseam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
"Supercar is a term generally used for an automobile whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine",[2] and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarified atmosphere of its own."[3] However, the term can also be used for any car considered superior to its competitors[4] and thus its correct application can be subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts."
So maybe we oughta just agree to disagree. :cheers
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Spirit
Heritage GT Owner
Let's Go For A Drive
GUYS –
Weather is great in Texas today [9:40am CST; sunny and 77 degrees] :thumbsup
Life is even better in Texas:thumbsup
Let’s go for a FGT drive:thumbsup
I'll buy the beer if you can get to Luchenbach this afternoon. :cheers
GUYS –
Weather is great in Texas today [9:40am CST; sunny and 77 degrees] :thumbsup
Life is even better in Texas:thumbsup
Let’s go for a FGT drive:thumbsup
I'll buy the beer if you can get to Luchenbach this afternoon. :cheers
It was a short Winter. Mid to high 60's in Atlanta with the Texas heat coming in during the next few days. It's a great day to enjoy behind the wheel. :cheers
Fubar
Totally ****** Up
You are right, we are splitting hairs on the definition of words here... supercar v/s exotic and frankly we can call a car whatever we want.
I am sorry that I wasn't more specific about the term "modified.' I meant cars like Saleen's Parnelli Jones Mustang and Shelby’s KRs... not exactly Fords production models but still production models.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter and I do like Corvettes. I would have bought a Z06 but my wife insisted that I get a 4 seater, hence the M6. I have just always been disappointed in the design ques of the top Chevy. However, from a performance standpoint they are formidable.
So you call it a supercar, I won’t. I’ll understand that you’re not talking about “exotics” and I guess you will understand that I am.
Now, get out and enjoy the this 80 deg weather, before that cold front hits. I am going to go sit in my garage and cry about my clutch.
I am sorry that I wasn't more specific about the term "modified.' I meant cars like Saleen's Parnelli Jones Mustang and Shelby’s KRs... not exactly Fords production models but still production models.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter and I do like Corvettes. I would have bought a Z06 but my wife insisted that I get a 4 seater, hence the M6. I have just always been disappointed in the design ques of the top Chevy. However, from a performance standpoint they are formidable.
So you call it a supercar, I won’t. I’ll understand that you’re not talking about “exotics” and I guess you will understand that I am.
Now, get out and enjoy the this 80 deg weather, before that cold front hits. I am going to go sit in my garage and cry about my clutch.
SteveA
GT Owner/B.O.D
OK, let's you and me do this!
Texas sucks! As we all know my USC Trojans were robbed in the Rose Bowl!:lol
Spirit
Heritage GT Owner
Smile
SMILE - when you say that partner. :lol :eek :lol
And RED GT's are slow, you know.:bang
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SMILE - when you say that partner. :lol :eek :lol
And RED GT's are slow, you know.:bang
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I'm with you Fubar! I just drove out to my good buddy Corey Henderson's shop this morning to drop a car off...Henderson Performance Technologies in New Braunfels. Thought it was gonna rain, so didn't take the GT, but those twisty hill country roads were even fun in the CL65.
If any of you TX guys are up for a Hill Country run....I'm in....and we can meet at Corey shop for some dyno fun. Spirit....what do you say??
Hook 'em Horns! And Vince Young is playing as I type this....go Oilers, er Titans! :biggrin