Tuning - Stage 6


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Cobradvr

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I had my 2005 FGT tuned by Steve Mason at Stage 6 in Jacksonville, Florida over the weekend. He installed a smaller pulley and used a SCT Xcal2 programmer to achieve a little over 100whp gain. The baseline pull was just over 480whp, the best pull was 605whp. The performance gains are very impressive.

Steve did a great job and talked me through everything he was doing. He's a great tuner and I would recommend him to anyone out there looking to get more performance out of their car. He's the guy who tuned the twin turbo FGTs they've put out (I think 3-4 cars), which make over 1,000whp.

It was a great day and a great drive back home. Had some guy in a new Z06 try me just after getting it tuned, needless to say it was fun watching him vanish in the rear view!

I'm taking my new GT500 down for tuning as soon as I can schedule him. Again, great guys to work with, I'm a totally satisfied customer.

I have a .avi file of the 605whp pull I will try to attached.:thumbsup
 
I had my 2005 FGT tuned by Steve Mason at Stage 6 in Jacksonville, Florida over the weekend. He installed a smaller pulley and used a SCT Xcal2 programmer to achieve a little over 100whp gain. The baseline pull was just over 480whp, the best pull was 605whp. The performance gains are very impressive.

Steve did a great job and talked me through everything he was doing. He's a great tuner and I would recommend him to anyone out there looking to get more performance out of their car. He's the guy who tuned the twin turbo FGTs they've put out (I think 3-4 cars), which make over 1,000whp.

It was a great day and a great drive back home. Had some guy in a new Z06 try me just after getting it tuned, needless to say it was fun watching him vanish in the rear view!

I'm taking my new GT500 down for tuning as soon as I can schedule him. Again, great guys to work with, I'm a totally satisfied customer.

I have a .avi file of the 605whp pull I will try to attached.:thumbsup

First of all I am very happy for you and the results as you shared them.

Now having shared this I read that you reference to Stage 6 and the fact that Steve Mason did the tuning on the original TT gal aka Joe's "MONSTER" as most have seen more than once as the result of the video having been spread throughout the world. Now like many I enjoyed the video; in fact I think that everything about the car as created by Stage 6 is awesome.

The person that did he tuning on that gal was TonY G aka HP Performance who has a top notch facility in Florida and a very good working relationship with SCT the team responsible for the programming software used during this process.

Now I am not questioning what Steve Mason did for you however I wanted to make it clear to all that TonY G is the person behind the bits and bytes that made that gal scream. Furthermore I did not know that Steve Mason had purchased the software from SCT to solicit tuning to others but rather I remain under the impression that he has a solo aka Pro-Racer software package.

It is not my intention to be combative but rather to make certain that the correct people receive the credit that they deserve.

Once again I am very happy for you and your results

Takes care

Shadowman
 
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Hi,

I'm not a GT owner, nor do I have any connection with any of the shops in discussion, however I am a huge fan of the FGT, and have followed joe's car from the beginning. I lurk and read this forum often, however I have never bothered registering because I am not an owner, nor do I have anything to offer besides be another 'sideline fan'. Until I read this post. I was fortunate to be at the dyno session the last time Joe's car was dyno'd. Im not one to start anything, but I do want to provide accurate information. TonyG was not the one that calibrated joe's car w/ the last turbo. Infact he wasnt even there. So again, sorry shadowman, ive read lots of your posts, you're a great guy, but I was infact there spectating the dyno session, and it was infact Stage 6 that was responsible for the 1300+ whp it put down. Infact, IMV Films was there, im sure there is the video coverage of the event.

Im sorry for chiming in, I dont want to ruin the thread.

:thumbsup to everyone at stage 6. They ALL know their stuff.

To the original poster, enjoy it! 600 whp on a dyno dynamics is impressive.

Jon
 
Hi,

I'm not a GT owner, nor do I have any connection with any of the shops in discussion, however I am a huge fan of the FGT, and have followed joe's car from the beginning. I lurk and read this forum often, however I have never bothered registering because I am not an owner, nor do I have anything to offer besides be another 'sideline fan'. Until I read this post. I was fortunate to be at the dyno session the last time Joe's car was dyno'd. Im not one to start anything, but I do want to provide accurate information. TonyG was not the one that calibrated joe's car w/ the last turbo. Infact he wasnt even there. So again, sorry shadowman, ive read lots of your posts, you're a great guy, but I was infact there spectating the dyno session, and it was infact Stage 6 that was responsible for the 1300+ whp it put down. Infact, IMV Films was there, im sure there is the video coverage of the event.

Im sorry for chiming in, I dont want to ruin the thread.

:thumbsup to everyone at stage 6. They ALL know their stuff.

To the original poster, enjoy it! 600 whp on a dyno dynamics is impressive.

Jon


Hi Jon

Truly no worries; I simply wanted credit to go where I felt it belonged; that which you shared caused me no grief and certainly did not/will not ruin the thread. I know (as do many that TonY G) played the tuning role with Joe's original gal; subsequent to that I have no idea.

So; now that this has been shared; it must have been fricken BADASS to see the gal snarling as she created 1300 plus HP. I would have enjoyed the moment

As for Stage 6; as I initially shared; I liked what they created with Joe's gal and still do.

Lastly; "proof of life; LOL" where is the video; I suspect that it would be a very cool one.

In closing a most sincere "Thank You" Jon for your comments; IMO you are always welcome and who knows one day you may elect to put a GT in your stable too.

All the best

Regards

Shadowman
 
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Well I always like to see my name in the forums however I think there is need for some clarification here. LOL

First congrats to the original poster of this thread on your HP and TQ increase! You have joined rhe ranks of the 600 plus HP club and another happy SCT customer.

I do have to make sure credit is due here to the people behind Joe's TTGT and its success.

First, SCT, they helped me with the first Ford GT files and with their guidance I ran with it from there!!

Stage 6, what can I say, they built the original project in less than a week and the three of us, Dwight, Jimbo, and me (Yep Tony G) fired it up with Joe looking on as a proud father!..

I am the original tuner of Joe's GT from the pulley, Nitrous, Nitto days through the twin turbo days and I was there at the first Rally and met a lot of you and had a blast!! I am still perfecting and tuning Ford GT's and conducting services on them..I am also the one who was driving Joe's TTGT that day when the car decided it didnt want to play .LOL

Once Torrie (Unleashed Tuning) the proud owner of the other TTGT that Stage 6 built, moved into the building next to Stage 6, he began tweaking it even more with the base files that I and him had perfected as the larger Turbos were capable of even more power than we had originally made.

Torrie was the last "Tuner" who massaged Joe's GT after I with a small shot of Nitrous made the 1453HP. He is also an authorized SCT Calibrator along with myself. We work together as competitors and many times as teammates searching for the best tunes for all of our customers.

As for Steve Mason or Mase as he is called, he is NOT an authorized SCT Dealer or tuner for that matter and is violating the SCT License agreement.

With that being said I can tell you that "Mase" is very capable of tuning vehicles and has a huge following among the Import crowds, however there are a few circumstances that have occured that have left me no choice but to distance myself from Stage 6 and my friends of almost 15 years..

I wish them the best of luck..

Me and my wife look forward to seeing everyone at the Dinner in Vegas this year and look forward to sharing stories about the Ford GT's!! Might even be able to drag Torrie and his other half along if he can leave his GT for a few days!! LOL


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Well I always like to see my name in the forums however I think there is need for some clarification here. LOL

First congrats to the original poster of this thread on your HP and TQ increase! You have joined rhe ranks of the 600 plus HP club and another happy SCT customer.

I do have to make sure credit is due here to the people behind Joe's TTGT and its success.

First, SCT, they helped me with the first Ford GT files and with their guidance I ran with it from there!!

Stage 6, what can I say, they built the original project in less than a week and the three of us, Dwight, Jimbo, and me (Yep Tony G) fired it up with Joe looking on as a proud father!..

I am the original tuner of Joe's GT from the pulley, Nitrous, Nitto days through the twin turbo days and I was there at the first Rally and met a lot of you and had a blast!! I am still perfecting and tuning Ford GT's and conducting services on them..I am also the one who was driving Joe's TTGT that day when the car decided it didnt want to play .LOL

Once Torrie (Unleashed Tuning) the proud owner of the other TTGT that Stage 6 built, moved into the building next to Stage 6, he began tweaking it even more with the base files that I and him had perfected as the larger Turbos were capable of even more power than we had originally made.

Torrie was the last "Tuner" who massaged Joe's GT after I with a small shot of Nitrous made the 1453HP. He is also an authorized SCT Calibrator along with myself. We work together as competitors and many times as teammates searching for the best tunes for all of our customers.

As for Steve Mason or Mase as he is called, he is NOT an authorized SCT Dealer or tuner for that matter and is violating the SCT License agreement.

With that being said I can tell you that "Mase" is very capable of tuning vehicles and has a huge following among the Import crowds, however there are a few circumstances that have occured that have left me no choice but to distance myself from Stage 6 and my friends of almost 15 years..

I wish them the best of luck..

Me and my wife look forward to seeing everyone at the Dinner in Vegas this year and look forward to sharing stories about the Ford GT's!! Might even be able to drag Torrie and his other half along if he can leave his GT for a few days!! LOL


www.hp-performance.com



Well, I hate to take anyones side here. Tony, you've been around the scene for a long time, infact you worked on a car of mine a long time ago. however there are a few things here that havent been aired out. I didnt want to say it, but after your postings, its only fair to tell people the side I have seen.

Stage 6 is full of talent. It really surprises me to hear you say the things you have, especially when I was around when you physically threatened Mase at the track. Its easy to talk bad about someone when they arent around. Behind his back. Im not even going to repeat what you said, but you know what you said, you're a grown up, and that was really uncalled for. You are quick to tarnish Stage 6's name now, ricky has even told me you sent out emails to various companies telling mase's tune blew up joes car, when we all know it broke the crank shaft, and had nothing to do with the tune. Now you tell people torrie tuned it. quite odd.

But yes, I understand why you are upset, you were removed from tuning the GT projects stage 6 put out. It would hurt many peoples feelings.

Yes torry helped in tuning joe's car, he was there, in great spirits, helping mase, and the rest of the stage 6 crew getting joes car ready for the texas mile. Joe was very excited, and seemed to have great confidence in stage 6. I have emailed imv films about the footage of that day. If it surfaces, you will see who is really in charge. I am agreeing with you guys, as you think credit is due. Tony, you tuned the car the first time, good job. You did an above average job. Mase did a better job, with the help of torrie (since he had the software) and tuned it back in the spring time, and i wish i was appreciating the fact now you give him credit, I only wish this is how you truly feel. You are strongly against him, but its understandable because you feel threatened by him. you are just plain wrong on what you did, but lets leave that out of it. Im not here to tarnish your name, its not my place. But you know what you did.

I was at the shop recently when they finished another GT TT, which broke the stock engine record at 1100 whp and 980 ft/lbs. It was entirely tuned by Mase, with less boost than previous setups. Which tells me one thing. Mase not only can tune imports, he can tune just about anything. Just as we have seen with this original poster.

To make things worse, you claim oh stage 6 isnt an authorized SCT dealer. This is because of you tony. Which makes me upset, I wanted stage 6 to work their magic with my car. Because of your lies and hatred toward mase, you emailed SCT and did your best to reject stage 6 from becoming a dealer. That says a lot about your character. and Im sorry its come to this, but everyone deserves to know. After all I used to be your customer.


Again, I hope this is the last of it, but im sure its not. Tony you're great with words, you're very good infact, just as this thread unfolds, you pretend to show respect to mase, when everyone around north florida knows the garbage you speak. but when it comes to forums, when your true character is on the line, you straighten up. I wouldnt be surprised if you had this post deleted. I hope not tho, Im only voicing my true opinion, and outsider opinion. I have also forwarded this to stage 6, i believe they should have an opportunity to comment.

Lastly since i have such a love for gt's and joe's car, i often ask weekly the news on it. this all sadens me, especially when stage 6 has always been willing to work with who ever.

The original poster has the right to share his results, and maybe we should have had this discussion in another thread. Its great to see, any owner take delivery of great power to such a great engineering success. Thanks for the kind words shadowman, for now i can only dream of owning a fgt, but for now, im enjoying some other american muscle!

Jon
 
This is an interesting industry with emotions playing very heavy when it comes to who is "KING for the Day" and yet in the end there is certainly room for a wide variety of folks and the unique tweaks and twist that they bring to the proverbial party. However; in my world I prefer to remain at least one notch under the radar as such I can freely walk amongst a larger crowd.

Now as for my personal feelings about the left turn that this thread took; I feel that this Forum has room for and the ability to deal with and allow shared differences as long as they remain civil. Often times ones perception and reality are very different which is why I try to say IMO or as I see and or have experienced it because in the end stories never remain as they began but rather are written a little more each told they are told.

I for one reiterate that I would have enjoyed being a fly on the wall during the original Stage 6 TTGT project; the passion and emotions that were captured in the video still make me smile today.

What happened; who knows and in the end who cares. What matter IMO is that Joe's gal was a success as the result of a committed team and done so in what I would consider to be record time. Now we all knew that Joe was going to continue to push the proverbial envelope (he said so in the video) and sooner or later finite boundaries would be found and it would appear that they were. Was this tuning error, operator error, or very simply a mechanical failure based on the fact that design limits were exceeded; doubtful that anyone will ever know and yet I am convinced that up until the moment that she let loose that Joe was smiling; and in fact even after she gave up the ghost and asked for some TLC my gut tells me that he quickly migrated his thoughts away from the damage and began to focus on what would come next; this is what a true car knut does because it is not a car but rather a part of who he or she is.

Jon; thank you for the kind words and I hope that one day you create the opportunity to have a GT in your stable

Takes care

Shadowman
 
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I never knew my post would cause such a response.

Just so everyone knows, Steve "Mase" never mentioned any of this to me, as a matter of fact he did mention that it was a "great team" of guys that put together the first TT GT and he didn't take any of the credit, my post was my interpretation of what I was told by others.

I had a great experience with Stage 6, so much so I'm returning this week to have a 1969 Mustang I bought while there last week dyno'ed (just for fun). The car is a rough project car that someone put too much into the mechanicals and not enough into the body. In October, I'm bringing down my '07 GT500 to have it tuned and a smaller pulley put on, I may even remove the cats.

I stand behind my recommendation.

Best regards to all,
Mark
 
hello all

Hmmm,

Quite the thread.

First, I would like to thank you Mark for coming down, it was again a pleasure to meet you, and the results are very exciting.

Next, this isn’t the appropriate thread to discuss, however, the responses warrant such. Online forums are a great resource for many reasons, being an administrator of the second largest online automotive forum, ill be the first to tell you, many times opinions and emotions are not always in agreement. Its important to realize that everyone could learn a little something from each other.

With that being said, I’m glad to share my opinion as well. Rather than continue on pointing fingers or trying to purposely discredit another individual, in regards to the infamous GT TT # 1, Im just going to post up the videos from the last outing. Joe's car ended up putting down right a 1370 WHP on only boost(the way it was to be ran). very impressive to say the least.

You can view the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJC9qaMfRSI

The only thing I’ll correct anyone on, is no, the previous tune from joes car was not just ‘massaged’. To give everyone an idea: The whole thing was changed. I changed all the calculated load scaling, the rpm scaling, the whole timing table needed adjusting and further optimization. Not to mention the entire transfer function. When the car previously ran at a calculated load of 1.90 and the stock table reads 1.799, you aren’t utilizing the resolution. A timing table on this application shouldn’t read the same from 20 psi to 30 psi calculated load sites, and from 5000 rpms to 6500 rpms. As a matter of fact the tables only read to 6500 rpms, when we were infact turning the motor much higher. Different cylinder charge densities require different amounts of ignition timing in order to achieve optimal MBT. It is also important to note that as the engine rpms increase, you have less time available to reach peak cylinder pressures, and more times than none, need more timing the higher the RPM. thus by optimizing the ignition table correctly, it allows for further implementation of a more precise tune with the end result leaving the engine 100% optimized instead of 90%.

Tony did a decent job tuning the car the first time, I’ll certainly give him credit. However, part of our jobs as being a tuner, is understanding all aspects of an internal combustion engine, regardless of its manufacture. Everyone will have their own opinion and ideas on the correct approach. I have been lucky enough to use my UF engineering background to grasp analytical theory pertinent to IC engines first hand and use it when it comes to calibrating these engines with bar none success.

Lastly, everyone at stage 6 works hard to further raise the bar, be rest assured, more exciting developments from not only joe’s GT, but many other vehicles are soon to follow.

Regards,
Mase
 
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Fortunately, there are several capable people to work on these cars. Even more fortunate for those in the Jacksonville area.

I have had very nice experiences with Tony G, and from your post is seems the fellows at Stage 6 are capable too.

It's nice to have choices.

It's even nicer to have 600hp.
 
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I see more clarification is in order..LOL

First let me say that the tune is not what broke the crank on the built motor, nor have I "sent" emails to that nature. The crank became fatigued which at the HP levels that Joe's car was at was not a newsflash.

However, when the original vibration started I was called about replacing the clutch.. There was a discussion between me and Dwight about not driving the car until we took care of it. Obviously this did not happen and while taking a Jaguar Football player for a ride the engine said NO MORE.. I received the phone call that the clutch had failed. Once it was delivered to the shop we found the crank had broke at the snout.

Now as for me and Mase, you are correct there, in the fact that I was extremely displeased (Read PISSED OFF) that someone who had nothing to do with the buildup, tuning, and maintenance of Joe's TTGT had showed up at my shop one night with Dwight and made it clear that the software we were using was "junk" and continued to announce that if it was a 2.0 liter that he could make it fly.. Yes, I told several people that he needs a good ass kicking.. Yep that is a fact, I even volunteered myself.. All 5ft 5 of me.. LOL

First impressions go a long way in life and I did not get a "Warm/fuzzy" from that exchange.. Maybe its the generation gap and upbringing that makes the gap wider but I get along WITH everyone and in this case if there is any advice I can give Mase is to lose the "better than thou" attitude and show a little respect to other people and thier property.

As for the phone calls, Mase called SCT himself and announced that he was the "New Tuner" of Joe's GT.. Of course as you can imagine that took a lot of people by surprise since HP was all over the posters, websites, and internet as the "tuner" of the Ford GT.. This was the final straw for me and let me explain why..

Simple Math.. An agreement was made between me, Dwight, and Jimbo of Stage 6 when we did Joe's GT that I would do the tuning and the clutch setup and would make a percentage of the TTGT conversions. Well you can imagine my surprise as I received a phone call from SCT asking who in the hell was this "Mase" guy stating that he was the new "Tuner". That is exactly how I found out about me being dropped from the project.. Nice way to do business in my opinion.. NOT.. Next time I will get it in writing and yu can bet on that..

Pissed off, yeah big time, however, I knew it was only a matter of time before the next hoorah. and it wasnt long.. I am not going to go there since it does effect Dwight and the other employees of Stage 6 and although some of my sentiments are shared by by them there is a larger picture which I more than understand so I will not be drug into that mess.

I dont have any doubts of what Mase can tune, contrary to the above post I do respect his ability, I do think that he needs to rethink how he approaches people and at least attempt to not to burn certain bridges.

Whats between me and Dwight is our business and as busniess owners we are out to make a living and that is something we both agree on. We both deal with employees doing stupid stuff but thats life and how we learn from those is what makes us better..

As for SCT, thats between them..

Now, Torrie on the other hand in my opinion got an even shorter end of the stick since he had to endure Mase walking around touting the "Dealer Paperwork"and that he was getting the software from SCT which as it turns out Torrie had he same thing done to him as done to myself.

There is NO ONE that has more experience tuning the Driveability functions of the GT than Torrie.. He datalogs the car and tweaks on it everytime he gets in it! As a side note here the Base Value files for the GT were from Torries tunes which were based on mine, so you can see where this is goiing..

That mountain top will always be there and there will always be someone climbing to the top, but its the way you get there and the way you come down that makes the climb worthwhile.....The Peak is just that. The Peak

There is so much more to this story, and thats just what it is. I stand behind my friends and even closer to my enemies and I have learned a valueable lesson throughout these past 2 years..

Life goes on, Enjoy it while you can and be respectful to people and their possesions and you will go far in life..


www.hp-performance.com
 
I see Mase finally chimed it.

I think we should get together for lunch and discuss this OFF the board..

Number is 276-7223
 
Good idea!
 
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