For those who know me I pretty much view the world through GT colored glasses. : ) I am always looking for ways to improve the GT's Usability / functionality , aesthetics and performance.
Some of you may recall about a year ago were communicating with Stop Tech brake company about a Carbon Ceramic brake rotor kit for the GT. For various speculated reasons they never completed the project.
A few weeks ago I attended the Palm Beach Supercar Weekend and I made an interesting discovery.. I normally classify myself as being a little more observant than most... There was a heavy crowd and I was very close to the GT's side talking to the shows patrons. I young boy was carrying a brochure with a big picture of a Carbon Ceramic Rotor on the Cover.. That perked my interest so I asked him where he got it he pointed to the car next to me.... At that point I felt my self observances ranking drop a few points on the scale... :biggrin Anyway on with the Story...
The Brochure was from a company by the name of Mov It. http://movit.de/rahmen/ceramic.htm The car next to me was a F 360 with the CC brakes and the car was set up for some serious track duty.. I was able to spend some time with the US MovIt rep Tom F. and discuss the possibilities of a Rotor and Pad kit for the GT.
I like to think I am in tune with the car world. I had never heard of MovIt brakes. I wanted to do some research to see what they were about. Over the past couple of weeks I have been exchanging emails with Tom F. and looking around other web sites to see what these guys are about. Here's a link to the Corvette Forum. There are some photos from the Factory In Germany. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-z06-discussion/1718321-vist-to-movit-brakes-in-germany.html
I have asked Tom about every question I can think of about The Movit CER brake rotors and pads. The following is a cut and paste of some of the questions I had for Tom and his replies are in red.
Q & A :
Brian:
Here you go my friend.
1) Weight savings
The weight saving will depend on the weight of the original system components. Rule of thumb on 2 piece systems is approx 50%. Since your rotors are one piece the weight savings could be as high as 60%
2) Durability
The MovIt CER rotors have been tested at an 80% duty cycle race cars run approx 40% duty cycle. During testing we have seen only 1/10 of 1mm of wear on the rotor when the rotor has more then 5mm of wear surface available at 400,000 miles. This means the rotor will last nearly a lifetime.
3) Any clearance issues with the slightly larger rotors (our wheels are 18" front 19" rear) the fronts may be close. There should be no issues with the rear.
We typically run 370mm rotors under 18” wheels. The front for your application will be a 362mm rotor and should pose no clearance issues. We will have measurements of your wheels double checked before any rotors are actually made.
4) The GT has a great breaking system ABS and front/rear balance. Will the brakes affect the balance?
The upgrading of the factory steel rotors and pads to the MovIt CER rotors and pads will not affect any stock systems. In addition it will actually make the system more efficient making the ABS less prone to activation. The greater the brake systems efficiency the less the ABS has to function or be activated. In regards to the front and rear balance of the stock system after a rotor/pad upgrade, the upgrade will not change the brake bias between the front and rear systems because this would only be effected if the piston sizes of the calipers themselves were to change. Since we are utilizing your stock master cylinder and calipers this bias will not be effected at all.
5) Warranty and replacement policy.
No aftermarket brake manufacture offers any warranties on their brake systems. In fact most as MovIt require you to sign a disclaimer limiting liability. That said we do warrant manufacture defects from production if any are ever found. To date the MovIt CER has been 100% and we have had zero issues or claims in more then 2 years on the market.
6) What are the caliper adapters made out of?
High grade hardened steel compound (1.7131)
7) Description of Performance: A) cold, basic street use. B) Hot, track use describe compared to cast iron rotors
The MovIt CER rotors and pads are more then suitable for street use and do not need to be warmed up like the Porsche PCCB rotors or a Carbon-Carbon rotor. They are nearly 100% at temperatures below 32 degrees and near 98% below 0 degrees. In regards to Hot track temperatures; well this is where the MovIt CER rotors and pads will shine. They are more then capable of running more then 2000 degrees and showing little to no fad at those temperatures. These temperatures are way above those seen in F-1 and NASCAR racing applications. Meaning it is near impossible to be reached in lower competition levels and are usually only seen in controlled testing situations. Steel rotors usually start to fade at temperatures around the 500 degree range depending on manufacture, thickness, diameters, style, and material used. This means the MovIt CER will offer you nearly 100% fade resistance during street or track usage.
8) Should these stop equal or better than the stock rotors?
This is a difficult question to accurately answer due to the many, many ways that individuals test a brake systems efficiency. Most brake systems can perform very well from high speeds and in short distances if tested once and only once. This in our opinion is not accurate to those seeking or purchasing an aftermarket brake system. These clients really use their brake systems repetitively under harsh conditions. When tested in this fashion the MovIt CER system will out perform all other hands down. Repetitive braking from speeds in excess of 200 mph over and over again while maintaining accurate and fade resistance capabilities.
I know some this is covered in the brochure you gave me. I'm not sure if it's covered on your web site
Here are some basic Specs :
Here are some basics specs and weights.
- The Stock GT rotors are : Front one piece cast iron , 355 mm @ 25 lbs
- The Stock Rear rotors are 330 mm @ 23 lbs.
-The Mov it rotors are Two piece rotors, Alum Hat CER rotors :
- Front = 362 mm @ 9.982 lbs
- Rear = 342 mm is a few ounces less weight . 9.80 lbs est.
That's a total savings of 56.4 lbs. of rotational mass and un sprung weight ..Rotational mass has a much higher weight saving factor..The un sprung weight reduction will improve the steering feel and suspension reaction time.
Tom put together a price for me for a one off set of brakes. Movit is a company Based in Germany. Sadly for us in the states the USD to Euro exchange rate really hurts us on a deal like this. Here is a copy of the email Tom sent to me:
Ok here is what we can do for you guys
The replacement rotors will be a 362mm CER rotor for the front with caliper adapters included for the larger diameter rotors. In the rear we will run the 342mm rotors again with caliper adapters. Sport pads will be included for both front and rears for the Brembo calipers. Sport pads are between street and race pads.
Retail cost for 1 vehicle is $18,459 which includes everything needed for the upgrade. Rotors, caliper adapters, and pads.
Group Buy of 2-3 full front and rear kits is $14,449
GB of 3+ full kits is $13,999
Additional charges would be California tax if applicable and shipping via Fed Ex from Germany (approx $190 per axle)
I can tell you it is VERY rare for MovIt to move on any pricing but I was able to talk them into this under one condition. They want at least one car available with driver to run with our Ferrari at Palm Beach Raceway for some pictures of the cars on the track. I am assuming you would not have a problem personally running your car for an afternoon. Let me know your thoughts. A 4K discount is significant.
One last note. We have to be very careful of the quoted prices and the duration of the GB due to the Euro/Dollar exchange rate. If the rate increases higher then the current 1.325 rate then prices will have to increase as these are very close to cost.
Tom Frederico
In closing what will you need from the GT community? I have the rotors as stated. Will you need a local car for measurements? What about testing and validation? I think some guys will be hesitant to step up to the plate without some type of performance review and feed back? I am excited that we are seeing some real CC brake options come to market. I like to do my home work than decide. Most of the GT owners are real car guys and do the same. I am heading on a short vacation. I will return late Monday night. Let's get our ducks in a row and I'll get some feed back from the site owner and we can see about making the post next week or sooner if need be.. Regards, Brian
What I need from the community is nothing more then their time to read the information I have written here and in that brochure you have. I only need one set of pads (both front and rears) and one rotor (both front and rear) to send to Germany for measurements at our expense. Turn around time is approx 2 weeks.
I am not personally involved with this company, Physically or Financially. After spending some time and effort to chase Stop Tech for their CC rotor I was excited to see there was another company willing to develop a plug and play system for our Beloved GT's !!! :thumbsup
If you are building an extreme GT or want to have rotors that will last the lifetime of your car these are a very interesting option. I look forward to questions and comments. If you are interested please send me a Private Message.
Some of you may recall about a year ago were communicating with Stop Tech brake company about a Carbon Ceramic brake rotor kit for the GT. For various speculated reasons they never completed the project.
A few weeks ago I attended the Palm Beach Supercar Weekend and I made an interesting discovery.. I normally classify myself as being a little more observant than most... There was a heavy crowd and I was very close to the GT's side talking to the shows patrons. I young boy was carrying a brochure with a big picture of a Carbon Ceramic Rotor on the Cover.. That perked my interest so I asked him where he got it he pointed to the car next to me.... At that point I felt my self observances ranking drop a few points on the scale... :biggrin Anyway on with the Story...
The Brochure was from a company by the name of Mov It. http://movit.de/rahmen/ceramic.htm The car next to me was a F 360 with the CC brakes and the car was set up for some serious track duty.. I was able to spend some time with the US MovIt rep Tom F. and discuss the possibilities of a Rotor and Pad kit for the GT.
I like to think I am in tune with the car world. I had never heard of MovIt brakes. I wanted to do some research to see what they were about. Over the past couple of weeks I have been exchanging emails with Tom F. and looking around other web sites to see what these guys are about. Here's a link to the Corvette Forum. There are some photos from the Factory In Germany. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-z06-discussion/1718321-vist-to-movit-brakes-in-germany.html
I have asked Tom about every question I can think of about The Movit CER brake rotors and pads. The following is a cut and paste of some of the questions I had for Tom and his replies are in red.
Q & A :
Brian:
Here you go my friend.
1) Weight savings
The weight saving will depend on the weight of the original system components. Rule of thumb on 2 piece systems is approx 50%. Since your rotors are one piece the weight savings could be as high as 60%
2) Durability
The MovIt CER rotors have been tested at an 80% duty cycle race cars run approx 40% duty cycle. During testing we have seen only 1/10 of 1mm of wear on the rotor when the rotor has more then 5mm of wear surface available at 400,000 miles. This means the rotor will last nearly a lifetime.
3) Any clearance issues with the slightly larger rotors (our wheels are 18" front 19" rear) the fronts may be close. There should be no issues with the rear.
We typically run 370mm rotors under 18” wheels. The front for your application will be a 362mm rotor and should pose no clearance issues. We will have measurements of your wheels double checked before any rotors are actually made.
4) The GT has a great breaking system ABS and front/rear balance. Will the brakes affect the balance?
The upgrading of the factory steel rotors and pads to the MovIt CER rotors and pads will not affect any stock systems. In addition it will actually make the system more efficient making the ABS less prone to activation. The greater the brake systems efficiency the less the ABS has to function or be activated. In regards to the front and rear balance of the stock system after a rotor/pad upgrade, the upgrade will not change the brake bias between the front and rear systems because this would only be effected if the piston sizes of the calipers themselves were to change. Since we are utilizing your stock master cylinder and calipers this bias will not be effected at all.
5) Warranty and replacement policy.
No aftermarket brake manufacture offers any warranties on their brake systems. In fact most as MovIt require you to sign a disclaimer limiting liability. That said we do warrant manufacture defects from production if any are ever found. To date the MovIt CER has been 100% and we have had zero issues or claims in more then 2 years on the market.
6) What are the caliper adapters made out of?
High grade hardened steel compound (1.7131)
7) Description of Performance: A) cold, basic street use. B) Hot, track use describe compared to cast iron rotors
The MovIt CER rotors and pads are more then suitable for street use and do not need to be warmed up like the Porsche PCCB rotors or a Carbon-Carbon rotor. They are nearly 100% at temperatures below 32 degrees and near 98% below 0 degrees. In regards to Hot track temperatures; well this is where the MovIt CER rotors and pads will shine. They are more then capable of running more then 2000 degrees and showing little to no fad at those temperatures. These temperatures are way above those seen in F-1 and NASCAR racing applications. Meaning it is near impossible to be reached in lower competition levels and are usually only seen in controlled testing situations. Steel rotors usually start to fade at temperatures around the 500 degree range depending on manufacture, thickness, diameters, style, and material used. This means the MovIt CER will offer you nearly 100% fade resistance during street or track usage.
8) Should these stop equal or better than the stock rotors?
This is a difficult question to accurately answer due to the many, many ways that individuals test a brake systems efficiency. Most brake systems can perform very well from high speeds and in short distances if tested once and only once. This in our opinion is not accurate to those seeking or purchasing an aftermarket brake system. These clients really use their brake systems repetitively under harsh conditions. When tested in this fashion the MovIt CER system will out perform all other hands down. Repetitive braking from speeds in excess of 200 mph over and over again while maintaining accurate and fade resistance capabilities.
I know some this is covered in the brochure you gave me. I'm not sure if it's covered on your web site
Here are some basic Specs :
Here are some basics specs and weights.
- The Stock GT rotors are : Front one piece cast iron , 355 mm @ 25 lbs
- The Stock Rear rotors are 330 mm @ 23 lbs.
-The Mov it rotors are Two piece rotors, Alum Hat CER rotors :
- Front = 362 mm @ 9.982 lbs
- Rear = 342 mm is a few ounces less weight . 9.80 lbs est.
That's a total savings of 56.4 lbs. of rotational mass and un sprung weight ..Rotational mass has a much higher weight saving factor..The un sprung weight reduction will improve the steering feel and suspension reaction time.
Tom put together a price for me for a one off set of brakes. Movit is a company Based in Germany. Sadly for us in the states the USD to Euro exchange rate really hurts us on a deal like this. Here is a copy of the email Tom sent to me:
Ok here is what we can do for you guys
The replacement rotors will be a 362mm CER rotor for the front with caliper adapters included for the larger diameter rotors. In the rear we will run the 342mm rotors again with caliper adapters. Sport pads will be included for both front and rears for the Brembo calipers. Sport pads are between street and race pads.
Retail cost for 1 vehicle is $18,459 which includes everything needed for the upgrade. Rotors, caliper adapters, and pads.
Group Buy of 2-3 full front and rear kits is $14,449
GB of 3+ full kits is $13,999
Additional charges would be California tax if applicable and shipping via Fed Ex from Germany (approx $190 per axle)
I can tell you it is VERY rare for MovIt to move on any pricing but I was able to talk them into this under one condition. They want at least one car available with driver to run with our Ferrari at Palm Beach Raceway for some pictures of the cars on the track. I am assuming you would not have a problem personally running your car for an afternoon. Let me know your thoughts. A 4K discount is significant.
One last note. We have to be very careful of the quoted prices and the duration of the GB due to the Euro/Dollar exchange rate. If the rate increases higher then the current 1.325 rate then prices will have to increase as these are very close to cost.
Tom Frederico
In closing what will you need from the GT community? I have the rotors as stated. Will you need a local car for measurements? What about testing and validation? I think some guys will be hesitant to step up to the plate without some type of performance review and feed back? I am excited that we are seeing some real CC brake options come to market. I like to do my home work than decide. Most of the GT owners are real car guys and do the same. I am heading on a short vacation. I will return late Monday night. Let's get our ducks in a row and I'll get some feed back from the site owner and we can see about making the post next week or sooner if need be.. Regards, Brian
What I need from the community is nothing more then their time to read the information I have written here and in that brochure you have. I only need one set of pads (both front and rears) and one rotor (both front and rear) to send to Germany for measurements at our expense. Turn around time is approx 2 weeks.
I am not personally involved with this company, Physically or Financially. After spending some time and effort to chase Stop Tech for their CC rotor I was excited to see there was another company willing to develop a plug and play system for our Beloved GT's !!! :thumbsup
If you are building an extreme GT or want to have rotors that will last the lifetime of your car these are a very interesting option. I look forward to questions and comments. If you are interested please send me a Private Message.
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Don't forget though, he's biased since he's the importer.