New Wax... It Is Devine


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I've been using Swissvax with good results. "Concorso" to be specific. It's very good but it does leave a "loose" finish that is easily blemished, but for a quick rub before a show it's hard to beat. They have many upscale variants ($14k in a crystal vase) - which I have a hard time falling for. Kind of like pimping and wearing a humongous, oversized watch.
 
I am a favor of Brazilian Wax. Waxing lasts for around one to two months. It's a fairly safe procedure.
 
FB GT40 said:
I've been using Swissvax with good results. "Concorso" to be specific. It's very good but it does leave a "loose" finish that is easily blemished
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I have not heard this about Concorso.. Are you using Swissvax Cleaner Fluid before application? Letting it outgas under the sun?
 
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Jason's Auto Spa said:
I have not heard this about Concorso.. Are you using Swissvax Cleaner Fluid before application? Letting it outgas under the sun?
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Krymuny. And here in my teens I thought Blue Coral's 2 step process was a terminal pain in th' butt.:bored

'Coarse, back then we didn't hafta press one for English either...
 
E.P.! Another Blue Coral brother from the early 1970's...I used that stuff on my Calypso Coral 70 Boss 302. Correcto, that stuff was a real pain in the *^& to use.
I cannot believe you guys who use these high end waxes...have you ever had a "wax off" next to another car using a lowly product like Meguire's NXT?:biggrin Can it really shine that much deeper and be that much longer lasting on the same applied paint job? :eek
 
KJRGT said:
E.P.! Another Blue Coral brother from the early 1970's...
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Aaaaaaaaaaah...if that were only true, bro. :frown

Ackshully, I was referring to the ...(gulp)...early 60's. :old:
 
KJRGT,

I've talked to quite a few detailers about that same subject. I've also spent hours researching it on the internet as well, browsing just about every detailing forum on the web and every thread about carnauba. All in all, I've probably got 8 to 9 hours of my life gone forever just researching the advantage of high end waxes. Good thing I like detailing!

After speaking to many other detailers in the U.S., Canada, and United Kingdom all separately via PM & E-mail they have all said quite a few things that pair up. First and foremost that higher end waxes, those about $200.00 USD and up produce great results with proper surface prep. Higher up in the ranks, to the tune of $1,100 or more you get not only into waxes that have a higher carnuaba by volume but carnauba waxes that are formulated with other exotic ingredients to not only produce a rich shine but also give the durability natural carnauba lacks with its low melting point. All of the waxes on the market are mixed in with different waxes (beeswax, etc..) for different results. Some produce a dramatically deep gloss, others a durable coating, some are just mediocre or re-labeled products, while it is the higher end waxes that have been formulated to give the best of both worlds - The deepest shine and the durability natural carnauba lacks. Actual carnauba is inexpensive and not durable at all. It's melting point is around 180*F which is the equivalent of your car's panel outside exposed to the sun for a few hours. But the depth it adds, in the experienced eyes of those analyzing, is dramatic enough to continue formulating different versions intended for different things. I doubt I would be able to tell the difference between Meg's NXT and Zymol Vintage split on the same body panel...but drive the car for a couple of months and it will be obvious.

No I don't mean to talk like a salesman, but thats the truth. I got unbiased opinions by people that use $1,000+++ waxes everyday. I got to know them too, and they're not any different than you or me - If your Ford GT fell apart left and right, you'd probably voice your thoughts. Some louder than others. The same applies here, they don't have stock invested in these wax companies, they don't care if someone else's product sucks, they'll tell you the truth. So after all my research, that is what I concluded. I had an open mind during my research and could have leaned either way. I ignored the manufacturer, ignored the naysayers, and just went straight to the people that actually own and use the products themselves. Why ask how a Ford GT performs to a guy that doesn't own one?

If anyone is wondering about the comparison of carnauba vs. synthetic sealant (Zaino), PM me and I'll direct you to some more reading.

We all know what opinions are like and that everyone has one. :thumbsup
 
Undoubtedly there's not one word of "B.S." in your post, Jason.

But, far as cheap Pockets is concerned, more gooder 'waxie car mo often with mo cheaper "deep gloss" wax an' call 'er good!!!!!! :lol :cheers :thumbsup

'Rather put the $10K to work in the mkt! (Well...MOST of the time...:ack)
 
Just my 2 cents. Is a very expensive anything better than a less expensive anything. Should be (and damn well percentage wise too), better be, may not be. Pretty simple really. Is it worth it is the main question. I say in many caes that it is bragging rights. "Hey guys, I just HAD my car waxed with $10K wax, put some $3K brakes on it, a $3K exhaust system and a $10K stereo. Now while I'm upstairs with my 5K an hr hooker you guys go check it out". lol. Not for me, sorry. I will be in my trailer with my tpk (trailer park trash) reviewing my financial statement and counting my money. Ah, life is good. The no-stress express. Hey can one of you send me the empty can so I can refill it with my Rain Dance or Turtle wax?
 
Jez... I have been called nuts just waxing every month .... now Jason makes me look like an intelligent guy. :lol Personally I prefer using McG .... just use it more often. I have zaino on the BMW but don't think I'll be using it on the GTs.

Jason what is your opinion on rejexs?

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Rejex has a large following just like Zaino. Some people say it is Zaino results without all the extra work, even though I've never found Zaino to be hard to use if you follow the instructions. A lot of people praise the shine and durability, but some steer towards Zaino because there is an even larger following with the same testimonials. I don't think I've heard of anyone being very disappointed with either brand, and if I did, it wasn't anything consistent as far as the complaint. Detailing Products are their own thriving industry with new products and brands coming out of no where every week or two. I don't get to test everything out there, but I get a good understanding of where it stands compared to some of the most popular products and from what I have seen, Rejex is up there right around Zaino and you'll find happy customers with either one.

With all of these new and existing products on the market, it is hard to tell if one product is actually new or if it is the same product that has been out on the market for 6 months and now has a different name, smell, and color. I don't doubt that a few detailing product manufacturers are using the same formulas but with different scents under different brand names and a cool bottle design to grab the consumer. For reasons like this, I stick with what works very well in a number of different aspects, which is why I am satisfied with Zaino and not looking for something else (Rejex) Even places like Autogeek.net don't have all of the products out there as little brands are making their way up the ranks, so when you visit there and see all the products, that still isn't all of them :eek

Well thats my take, probably a little more than you asked for :sleep:
 
Jason, I really appreciate your post and it makes perfect sense to me. :thumbsup
I figured the high end/high cost waxes performed better, but like most things, we all have to do our own personal "price vs. value" comparison.
For me, since my GT sits in the garage under cover most the time, relative to a daily driver, I think I'll stick with the Meguire's Glaze and NXT products.
 
Jason,

I've used Liquid Glass for 20 yrs. now. Any thoughts or experiences with it that you would care to share?
 
KJRGT,

Glad you found my post was a good read. I wasn't trying to sway you into higher end waxes, or anyone for that matter, just providing the explanation - If you like NXT then go for it :thumbsup

Automotive8r,

Liquid Glass is another great product out there, unfortunately, I have not used it in a few years so I don't remember much about it's durability compared to some of the stuff I use now. I know it left a great reflection but I didn't feel the depth was there, but that doesn't decide if it is a good or bad product. Some people want a flat reflection while others want depth and quite frankly it took me some time and personal trials to tell the difference between the two. Here is a picture from 2004, long stored in the personal archives of this crazy detailer:

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Liquid Glass on my 2004 F-250 Harley-Davidson pickup. Displayed an excellent reflection but always looked kind of "Flat" to me personally. As I said though, not a bad thing because that is subjective to personal preferences and I still think its a great product to have in your arsenal.
 
Jason,

I know what you mean when you refer to it looking "flat". That seemed to go away after baking car in sun for a couple hours and then reapply sealant, then bake again. That is your base coat. After that I would just put a coat on every 3-6 months without baking. It looked great and would last a longtime. Obviously the initial steps are a pain, but are well worth it. I found that the Liquid Glass pre-cleaner really helps with the bonding effect of the first few applications. I just applied it with a soft foam pad on my variable speed buffer set to very low rpm's. Anyway, once applied correctly, nothing would stick to the paint. Heavy bugs in the summer would quickly wash away with a 1000 psi washer from 4-5feet away. I just loved watching the water bead so well that it actually looked like it was floating above the surface. (I am also easily amused.)

I too was also thinking about trying REJEX. I may just grab a bottle and report back when I come to a conclusion.
 
Very interesting post, I'll have to look into their pre-cleaner :thumbsup

When you get around to trying Rejex, let us all know your findings. I didn't know there were many DIY detail guys around here, that's great, I enjoy this kind of stuff :biggrin
 
Swissvax

Jason's Auto Spa said:
I have not heard this about Concorso.. Are you using Swissvax Cleaner Fluid before application? Letting it outgas under the sun?
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I did use cleaner first. The car remained inside and not in the sun. Maybe it needed to bake? The finish showed finger marks very easily. (Door, clam shell etc). Otherwise - great stuff.
 
FB GT40 said:
I did use cleaner first. The car remained inside and not in the sun. Maybe it needed to bake? The finish showed finger marks very easily. (Door, clam shell etc). Otherwise - great stuff.
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Swissvax is a little different than Zymol, but I would apply Concorso and buff it off, then after you're done with the vehicle park it outside a few hours under the sun. Carnauba is hygroscopic and it will absorb moisture so without letting it "Sweat" under the sun for a few hours, the leftover oils and ingredients that are on the surface from the application will remain there and take in the relative humidity and look like how you're describing it. After you let it sweat ("Outgas") under the sun, pull it inside and go over it with Swissvax Quick Finish. The humidity level will also affect how long it takes to outgas so on hot and/or humid days, I would leave it outside for a little longer. It is all done when you run a finger across it and there is no hazing or leftover streaks where your finger just swiped. At that point, pull the vehicle inside and go over with Quick Finish :thumbsup
 
I need to sit down for a while. 'Waaaaaaaaaaay too involved (and labor intensive) for a "'boomer". And that's just READIN' about it..:willy


(Lemme see...where's that can of Turtle Wax One Step I bought back when?)
 
Empty Pockets said:
(Lemme see...where's that can of Turtle Wax One Step I bought back when?)
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Interesting fact, over the counter Zymol is bottled by Turtle Wax :wink
 
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