Whipple or TT for track use?


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Alex911

FORD GT OWNER - FROM RUSSIA TT FGT
Mark IV Lifetime
Jan 22, 2008
73
Moscow, Russia
Hi all,

I am soon hoping to become a happy owner of this fantastic car. I will be bringing the car to Russia and it will be the first GT here. The only chance I have to mod the car is when buying it in the US before shipping it to Russia. I have been reading this great forum and I am 100% sure that I want to mod the car. I currently have a 600 awhp 911 turbo cab and do want the GT to be faster than the 911. I plan on driving the car about 5k miles per year out of which at least 1k miles on track. What should i opt for in terms of additional power - the TT looks very fast and seductive but - considering the traction issues is it worth it for track use? The tracks that we have here are relatively slow with some tight corners so there is a lot of driving in 2-3rd gear where traction is an issue with the 1000hp car. I looked at some dyno charts and see that with the Whipple set up north of 700rwhp can be achieved on pump gas and that the power an Tq curves are more even than the TT. The best gas that I can acquire in Moscow is Euro 98 octane (which i believe is quite similar to 93 pump US) - do you think I will have any probs running either of the above setups ?

Sorry for so many questions in my first post,
Best regards!
 
Ed Sims tracks his car quite frequently he runs the Whipple. I don't think anyone has tracked a turbo car and reported here. You can do a search on the topic and see what pops up. Whipple is working on new SC that should be out soon !!!
 
You can go either way if the vehicle is set up correctly. It depends on what your end goals are for the vehicle really.
 
Do you plan on running full race slicks at the track? Otherwise, both setups will overmatch the Goodyears pretty easily on a roadcourse.
 
kumar said:
Do you plan on running full race slicks at the track? Otherwise, both setups will overmatch the Goodyears pretty easily on a roadcourse.
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Oh big time !:biggrin
 
You might find that big power adders such as the Whipple or Twin Turbo's won't do as much for you as the 3.9 gear change. Whipples or TT's would be great for a high speed track but if you plan on going to a tight track that would require more power/traction at lower RPM you may benefit more from the 3.9 gear change.

Just my $.02
 
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kmillen said:
You might find that big power adders such as the Whipple or Twin Turbo's won't do as much for you as the 3.9 gear change. Whipples or TT's would be great for a high speed track but if you plan on going to a tight track that would require more power/traction at lower RPM you may benefit more from the 3.9 gear change.

Just my $.02
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+1, plus you will absolutely need stickier than stock tires if you want to be able to put the power down like you do in your AWD Porsche.
 
Fgt

The FGT is not a "tight track" car. It's too heavy. If you are only using 2nd and 3rd gears you will toast a set of tires in no time. Don't worry about power...there is more than enough in stock trim. Just learn to use it.

G. :thumbsup
 
Alex911 said:
Hi all,

I am soon hoping to become a happy owner of this fantastic car. I will be bringing the car to Russia and it will be the first GT here. The only chance I have to mod the car is when buying it in the US before shipping it to Russia. I have been reading this great forum and I am 100% sure that I want to mod the car. I currently have a 600 awhp 911 turbo cab and do want the GT to be faster than the 911. I plan on driving the car about 5k miles per year out of which at least 1k miles on track. What should i opt for in terms of additional power - the TT looks very fast and seductive but - considering the traction issues is it worth it for track use? The tracks that we have here are relatively slow with some tight corners so there is a lot of driving in 2-3rd gear where traction is an issue with the 1000hp car. I looked at some dyno charts and see that with the Whipple set up north of 700rwhp can be achieved on pump gas and that the power an Tq curves are more even than the TT. The best gas that I can acquire in Moscow is Euro 98 octane (which i believe is quite similar to 93 pump US) - do you think I will have any probs running either of the above setups ?

Sorry for so many questions in my first post,
Best regards!
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Welcome Alex! No problem with your questions - that's what the Forum is for and as you've seen the owners here are more than happy to help.

Tell us more about the car culture in Russia. Are "supercars" and other exotics increasing exponentially there? How are they and the owners generally viewed by the public? How about the authorities? How will you service the car? Will you have to pay any import duty? Anything you care to share will be of considerable interest.
 
If I was taking it to Russia and good mechanics/parts were a factor.
My first thought would be either Torrie or Shadowman for a Whipple depending on the car location (west coast or east). Have them do the whipple, short shifter, stillen clutch, transaxle cooler and tires.

Don't know what the roads are like but if most of the miles are going to be track then I would install the shock coil overs some of our boys in Texas have been running. Stiff for everyday but adjustable for the track.

At least when it gets to Russia it will have been flogged on a dyno with great attention to detail. Also should your tune not work out with the fuel they can e-mail you changes and updates.

And have a blast.........I want to see some video of you drifting in front of the Kremlin:lol
 
AlohaGT said:
Welcome Alex! No problem with your questions - that's what the Forum is for and as you've seen the owners here are more than happy to help.

Tell us more about the car culture in Russia. Are "supercars" and other exotics increasing exponentially there? How are they and the owners generally viewed by the public? How about the authorities? How will you service the car? Will you have to pay any import duty? Anything you care to share will be of considerable interest.
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We do have quite an active supercar market in Russia, that is manly limited to two cities -Moscow and St. Petersburg. We have a lot of 911's a few thousand probably 6 carrerra Gt's that i know of, a bunch of Ferraris including about 15 599 Fioranos and 2 Enzos, lots of Gallardos and Murcies can be seen on the road, cars like Continental GT's are all around - 70% of the time driven by attractive females. In terms of real exotics - I know of a few Pagani Zonda's including the R, 10-15 SLR's, 2 MC12's. Unfortunately a lot of nice cars are owned by people, who bought them to show of in their garage and not drive. Rumors have it that there is 1 blue ford GT stored in some garage, but it has never been seen on the roads. In general Russia is currently the #3 market after the US and Europe for Lambos//Ferraris and Porsches.
We do have a few clubs with mostly ferrari/lambo and a lot of porsche owners. Currently a few nice tracks are being built around Moscow, and track events are quite regularly organized.
In turns of public reaction it is usually very positive when and respective towards the owner. I have a 911 cab and regularly leave the top open when parking in the street - and never had any theft or vandalism issues.
In terms of authorities - mainly speaking about the traffic police - they usually react quite positive when stopping speeding supercars (bribes are unfortunately (or fortunately :biggrin)) quite common and one can get out of trouble for speeding 100 kph over the speedlimit with the help of one Benjamin Franklin :)
In terms of Customs duties - For "new" cars (3 years and younger) is about 50% of invoice price. For cars older than two years they are about 2.5Euro per cubic cm of engine displacement - so for importing a GT i will pay something around 12K euro.
The season usually lasts from april - october, so in a few months i hope to post pics of the GT drifting near the Kremlin and the Red square :)
 
Alex, you should also consider getting your racing harness installed here. Many of us have ordered from Livermore Performance in California. Look at their website. Call them and tell them you want stuff for the FordGT and they will hook you right up with harness holder, six point harness, fire extinguisher, helmet, etc.
 
Alex, many thanks for sharing. I, for one, found this to be fascinating reading. I had no idea that Russia is now the #3 market F/L/P cars.

And you're right, I think most of us would enjoy handing over a C note to rectify a 100 click speeding indiscretion.

I'm sure you're eager to acquire your new FGT and ship it back home ASAP. However, if circumstances permit, consider sticking around until Rally III in Vegas in September. What could be better than you driving your newly modded FGT with 100+ other FGTs cruising down the Strip?
 
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