race gas vs octaine boost

[todd]

Can someone explain the pros and cons of octaine boost compaired to a higher octaine gas?:willy

 

[snaproll]

Can someone explain the pros and cons of octaine boost compaired to a higher octaine gas?:willy

1) If you can "afford" a GT, you need not worry about the cost of premium so it is a moot point, just buy what they tell you to put in the car and it will work
2) Octane boosters are generally a difficult, messy, and expensive way to add octane. Only in an emergency do they make sense and then it's a crapshoot
3) Toluene is a common octane booster. It takes about a gallon of toluene to raise a tank of fuel's octane from 91 to 92 or so. What a PITA and for what?

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=3604&page_number=1

 

[todd]

1) If you can "afford" a GT, you need not worry about the cost of premium so it is a moot point, just buy what they tell you to put in the car and it will work
2) Octane boosters are generally a difficult, messy, and expensive way to add octane. Only in an emergency do they make sense and then it's a crapshoot
3) Toluene is a common octane booster. It takes about a gallon of toluene to raise a tank of fuel's octane from 91 to 92 or so. What a PITA and for what?

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=3604&page_number=1

premium gas here in CA. is only 91 octane If you boost performance you need to boost octane. So the question still stands.

 

[ROCMAN]

The additive octane boosts dont do jack. They claim to raise your octane 4-6 points or whatever, but in reality, they are referring to 10th of a percent. A $6 can of octane boost will raise your octane from 91 to 91.5. :lol
You will not benefit from higher octane unless your car is tuned for it. You may feel a slight increase in power if you go 104 Octane because your knock sensor will adjust your timing a little higher, but not much.
Don't waste your money unless the car is tuned!:wink

 

[BlackICE]

The GT doesn't have any knock sensors, so using gas lower than 91 octane can be harzardous to its health!

Octane booster products are expensive for what they do; it is more cost effective to buy the better gas in the 1st place.

If you hunt around you can buy 100 octane unlead racing gas to boost the 91 octane CA gas. Mix it or use it strait at 100 octane.

Now all that being said, anyone boosting the GT to higher HP levels, sure be very sure what octane is needed for the tune you are running. Drive a GT tuned for 100 octane on 91 and the engine will be destroyed with one full throttle run.

As they say, you have to pay, to play.

BlackICE

 

[barondw]

The higher octane helps prevent detonation at higher power and boost levels. But that alone is not a total insurance policy. Cars can still detonate on race fuel if not proeprly tuned to accept the increased power. Also in cooler climates the time of year can influence detonation depending upon tune of aftermarket items. For example, in the NE now the air temp is cool/cold and oxygen is more plentiful in the air.

Higher octane fuels, namely race gas are generally only available in 100 octane unleaded. Yes there are higher octanes in leaded format but they are inappropriate for these cars as they can damage components including O2sensors and the cats as well as fail emission testing.

Some aftermarket kits recommend 100 plus octane which I do not think is practical for a vehicle used on the street. Forgetting about cost, finding a station that sells race fuel is sometimes difficult and planning a trip around its availablity is nuts.

Dave

 

[BlackICE]

Some aftermarket kits recommend 100 plus octane which I do not think is practical for a vehicle used on the street. Forgetting about cost, finding a station that sells race fuel is sometimes difficult and planning a trip around its availablity is nuts.
Dave

I agreed 100%! That is what makes the big Whipple so attractive, 720-750 rwhp on crappy 91 octane CA gas. I don't think anyone is getting much more than 600 rwhp on CA gas with just a pulley and tune.

The Whipple's octane requirements are so low you can drive it to Mexico and fillup the tank to drive back. Oh, I forgot, even if the gas works fine, the GT might still not make it back to the US.

Anyone willing to give it a try, the fillup in Mexico is on me.

BlackICE

 

[barondw]

Use this link for Sunco race fuels. It has a locator of stations and product details on all their levels of race gas from 102 - 109 RON octane. Leaded fuel goes as high as 118 RON octane.

http://sunocoinc.com/site/Consumer/RaceFuels/

Following are California locations. Website allows you to find sites in listed states.


Agoura Hills 76
28203 Corthy Drive
Agoura Hills, CA 91301


Clarks Travel Center
82253 Indio Blvd (Historic Route 99)
Indio, CA 92201
(760) 342-4776


Imperial 76
619 E. La Habra Blvd
La Habra, CA 90631
(714) 414-7474


Rio Petroleum 76
11675 W. Pico Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90064
(310) 477-6144


Brentwood 76
12037 San Vicente Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 91766
(310) 476-4818


DB Corp 76
1963 Pacheco Blvd
Los Banos, CA 93635
(209) 826-7640


Country Club 76
17017 Road 26
Madera, CA 93638
(559) 674-8530


Frank's One Stop
2072 W. Yosemite
Manteca, CA 995337
(209) 239-9575


Modesto Gas
1401 Coffee Road
Modesto, CA 95355
(209) 571-9999


Newport Hills 76
2690 San Miguel Drive
Newport Beach, CA 92660
(949) 644-7151


Mitchell's "The Pit Stop"
700 Chapman
Orange, CA 92868
(714) 532-5900


Fred Frias 76
226 N. 2nd Street
Patterson, CA 95363
(209) 892-8992


Philip Ranch 76
16 Village Loop Road
Pomona, CA 91766
(909) 623-2429


Kings Union 76
975 Woodside Road
Redwood City, CA 94061
(650) 364-9620


Watt Tosco 76
2847 Watt Ave
Sacramento, CA 95821
(916) 489-7133



Damar Petroleum
1201 Almaden Expwy
San Jose, CA 95118


Huntington 76
2390 Huntington Drive
San Marino, CA 91108
(626) 286-6030


Golden State 76
881 N. Golden State Blvd
Turlock, CA 95380
(209) 668-7677


JK Service
12405 Yosemite Blvd
Waterford, CA 95386


South Hills 76
150 S. Citrus Ave
West Covina, CA 91791
(626) 339-8018

 

[BlackICE]

Thanks, Barondw for the link and list. I knew of the two stations close to me at Woodside and San Jose, but the others ones are handy to have too.

Now anyone going to try a 100 octane tune on the big Whipple?

BlackICE

 

[isaakgt]

WOW! There is a station within 15 miles of this piss-ant town I live in. Thanks for the info.:thumbsup

 

[BlackICE]

Try this link for Rocket Gas.

BlackICE

http://www.rockettbrand.com/dealers/dealers.htm#california

 

[californiacuda]

Do you know if they pump the high octane fuel or sell in 5 gal drums.

 

[barondw]

Do you know if they pump the high octane fuel or sell in 5 gal drums.

If its a 76 station there should be a pump, just like in New Jersey at listed Sunocos. Best way is to call those with a telephone number and check because I am sure it can vary by station and/or facility.

Dave

 

[todd]

Do you know if they pump the high octane fuel or sell in 5 gal drums.

i think most have it in 5 gal cans. I buy gas at an independent station and he can order the race gas.

 

[B O N Y]

i think most have it in 5 gal cans. I buy gas at an independent station and he can order the race gas.

Todd...
Not that I am going to tune for anything but 91 octaine,... Union 76 has race fuel available at the pump. I think you can do a search and find it easily on the web. Last time I looked it was $5+/per gallon.

By the way your answer cracked me up on 'the locked out thread',... I was sitting on my hands not to give you some static about using some plastik and blasting it open:lol

 

[B O N Y]

Can someone explain the pros and cons of octaine boost compaired to a higher octaine gas?:willy

Todd, if you want booster on the cheap, go to a BIG LOTS store, they normally sell it for less than a bottle a bottle. I buy it by the case.

 

[todd]

Todd..

By the way your answer cracked me up on 'the locked out thread',... I was sitting on my hands not to give you some static about using some plastik and blasting it open:lol

thats reserved for Ferrari's
:banana

 

[TrackDay]

Tune your car for 93 (or 91 depending on what is available in your area) then when you go to the track use 100 octane race fuel for the added insurance and a little extra kick. Very in-expensive insurance!

As Dave said earlier I too think it’s unreasonable to tune a car for 100 octane unless it is to become a trailer car and only gets driven on the track. Basically it’s not possible to drive around the country and get 100 octane each time you need to pull over for gas.

Also agree with others here that octane boost in a bottle very often does not deliver what is advertised so it’s not the way too go.

 

[SLF360]

Todd, if you want booster on the cheap, go to a BIG LOTS store, they normally sell it for less than a bottle a bottle. I buy it by the case.

Bony,

what do you need it for then ?

 

[B O N Y]

Bony,

what do you need it for then ?

For some old V8's that are still have CR of 12+ and
when I go on a little trip and am afraid of not being able to get race gas.