Carroll Shelby Responds to SAAC's Eber & Kopec


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Carroll Shelby Licensing Responds to Comments by Ken Eber and Rick Kopec
Saturday December 8, 1:04 am ET


GARDENA, Calif., Dec. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Carroll Shelby, CEO of Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., (CSL) has issued a statement in response to allegations made by the owners of the organization formerly known as the Shelby American Automobile Club.
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"I wanted to explain my concerns to the members of the Shelby American Automobile Club directly, but couldn't because SAAC has refused to give me a list of its members, even though the licensee agreement with SAAC requires them to allow me access to their books and records. So I am being forced to share the facts through a news release.

Rick Kopec and Ken Eber, two of the individuals who run the for-profit business called SAAC, have said that they don't know why we didn't renew their annual license. That's not true. We've sent e-mails, made phone calls and mailed letters explaining our concerns for quite some time. Except for the message noted at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm> http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm, they went unanswered. For the past several years, I've repeatedly told them that I was unhappy with their disregard of the reporting requirements of their license agreement and the way they managed the club. And, for the past eight years, their business hasn't kept the terms of its extremely favorable agreement with my licensing company, Carroll Shelby Licensing.

Here are the primary reasons that we did not renew the license for this business:

-- For many years, I loaned truckloads of memorabilia to the club and provided 1960s production records for the registry; Kopec and Eber promised that everything would be returned to me whenever I asked. In fact, that's what Kopec admits to on page 11 of the last printed edition of the "Shelby American World Registry," which was published in 1997. But they have refused to do so, and I'm told they have sold many of the items, like cancelled Shelby American checks, over the Internet and the like. This is not what anyone had in mind when I let them borrow my things, or my licensing company granted them a license.

-- Under the terms of their licensing agreement with CSL, they were required to provide annual and quarterly sales reports, as well as certified statements of sales and a full audit. Also, if requested, they were to allow us 'free and full access' to their books, records and accounts. They have not done any of these things, even though I've personally asked them many times.

-- They've never provided proof of the basic liability insurance required by the license agreement. This could expose me personally and all of my companies to enormous liability.

-- They failed for nine years to even ask for, much less receive advance approvals from CSL of the thousands of products and product designs they've been selling under license, even though the license agreement clearly states that this failure is grounds for "immediate" termination.

-- They didn't even pay the $1 per year licensing fee for the past nine years.

-- CSL not only has the right not to renew SAAC's license (which was made for only one year at a time for a reason), but in light of their continued disregard for the license agreement requirements, my trademarks and other intellectual property rights are at great risk if I allow this to continue.

Kopec and Eber say SAAC has 5,000 members who pay almost a quarter-million dollars in dues each year. Then there are advertising revenues, sponsorships and money made at the SAAC national convention. In return, from what I can tell, members receive just one mediocre publication and a couple of classified advertising newsletters.

And where is the Registry that has been promised year after year? The last one was published 10 years ago. I have received many calls from people who have paid hundreds of dollars for a Registry; they have threatened lawsuits against me and my companies because they have not received their book. The basic information in the Registry about colors, how many cars were built, etc., should be regularly updated and available online for instant access by members.

Kopec and Eber recently offered sponsorship of the club to a kit car maker. I have no issue with the individuals who buy kit cars and love the Shelby brand. But, would GM let Chrysler sponsor the Corvette Club? Would Harley Davidson ignore an attempt by Kawasaki to sponsor the Harley Owners Group?

I tried for years to address changes that should be made, but my requests fell on deaf ears. Some of the correspondence concerning this matter can be found at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com/> www.shelbylicensing.com. So my licensing company and I asked Eber and Kopec to return the 1960s records and items they originally promised to give back to me, as well as those they have collected over the years using my name under license. And I told them that they can't use my name or the name of my company anymore, and to dispose of their inventory as required by the license agreement.

Now they want club members to give them hard-earned money to defend their business interests. Eber and Kopec are asking people to help sue me when they won't even tell anyone, much less my licensing company, how much money the club has made over the years collecting member dues and selling 'Shelby' memorabilia and merchandise for a royalty fee of only $1.00. Are they fighting me because they're really afraid for the Registry or do they fear giving us financials, which they've been required to do, but refused?

Shelby enthusiasts, as well as SAAC club members and registrars deserve better. They should have a club that provides good value and benefits everyone who is involved. They deserve a club that leverages technology to share information and runs events that encourage people to enjoy their cars. They deserve to be treated with class and respect. To say that Team Shelby will negatively impact the value of Shelby cars is ridiculous.

I've received probably 250 telephone calls from people asking me to check on whether a particular Cobra or Mustang they wanted to buy is authentic. The next thing I hear from them is that Ken Eber has bought it. Where I come from, when there's that much smoke there's usually some sort of fire!

Also, I've been told many times by members that Ken Eber has said that he doesn't need Carroll Shelby. Well, now he won't have to bother with me and I won't have to bother with him. And, it seems to me that they make enough money that they don't need to go around poor-mouthing to the Club members to finance their legal defense fund against me. Shame on both of them! And, as far as Ken and Rick's associate, Mr. Pardee, the Club members should ask him how much of my personal memorabilia is being stored in his garage that, by all rights, should come back to me. Even though the three of them have slandered me by making public statements that I am 'evil,' I'm still entitled to get my personal belongings back. Who can disagree with that?

The bottom line is my legacy should be left in the hands of my family and real enthusiasts. I want to extend an offer to the local clubs to contact my office and arrange for a license to use the Shelby and Cobra name at the same base cost that we offered SAAC of $1. This will allow them to continue their great work.

It's my right to stop letting someone use my name and the name of my legacy company, Shelby American, when they won't listen to me or keep the terms of the licensing agreement they signed many years ago. Team Shelby won't be run that way. You have my word on it."

About Carroll Shelby Licensing

Automotive manufacturer and entrepreneur Carroll Shelby is one of the most famous and successful high performance visionaries in the world. In 1998, he founded Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., which is the exclusive holder of trademarks and vehicle design rights for some of the most famous muscle cars and high-performance vehicles. CSL also holds trademark rights for Shelby- branded apparel, accessories and collectibles. For additional information about the company or licensing opportunities, call (310) 914-1843 or visit www.shelbylicensing.com.




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Source: Carroll Shelby Licensing
 
Thanks for the post.

The policy of this forum is that we wish to always improve our relations with FoMoCo. Clearly Shelby is closely aligned with the Blue Oval Team.

This site is designed to be a base for FGT owners and selected friends.

The Shelby bashing that is occuring on other sites will never be tolerated here.

Bony
Moderator
 
The Shelby bashing that is occuring on other sites will never be tolerated here.

I don't care what anybody says. Carroll Shelby is a true American in every sense of the word. He is one of my personal heros. And our car, along with most other American beauties would not exist without the Texas Gambler.
 
Yes Mark! Right on!
 
I don't care what anybody says. Carroll Shelby is a true American in every sense of the word. He is one of my personal heros. And our car, along with most other American beauties would not exist without the Texas Gambler.

Here !! Here !! Carroll Shelby for President !!! :banana
 
I don't care what anybody says. Carroll Shelby is a true American in every sense of the word. He is one of my personal heros. And our car, along with most other American beauties would not exist without the Texas Gambler.

Yes he is! Carroll Shelby has been my main focus for many years when it comes to Ford performance & history. I just wish this bad stuff would have never happened. It has made it hard on him as well as his faithful followers of which I am one. I have owned his cars, collected his parts and liturature and will continue to do so. I really don't mess with anything else but Shelby stuff. He has always been very approachable even for a small time fan like me and I very much appreciate that quality in him. I am a dedicated fan and I certainly wish him well for many years to come. God Bless Him! TI :wink
 
Thanks for the post.

The policy of this forum is that we wish to always improve our relations with FoMoCo. Clearly Shelby is closely aligned with the Blue Oval Team.

This site is designed to be a base for FGT owners and selected friends.

The Shelby bashing that is occuring on other sites will never be tolerated here.

Bony
Moderator

You bet, Daniel.

Carroll is a living legend. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong, it's most unfortunate at 84 years of age he finds himself embroiled in such incredible conflict, controversy and litigation with SAAC, Unique and others.

We can only hope that these storms pass more quickly than our Legend does and all of us remember him for the unequalled contributions he's made during his extraordinary life.
 
That, my friends, is awesome. I'm glad Carroll stated the obvious. Clearly, there are two sides to EVERY story, but if you couldn't sniff out the truth of this matter, get a bloodhound. I have zero problem with anybody running a for-profit business. That's their business. That said, this gap between the SAAC leaders and the man whose name graces their club title should have been closed.

I will call Carroll tomorrow and voice our support in the matter.
 
I don't care what anybody says. Carroll Shelby is a true American in every sense of the word. He is one of my personal heros. And our car, along with most other American beauties would not exist without the Texas Gambler.

+1!!!
 
An opportunity was given to a young college student (sitting in the car below) in October of 1960 at Riverside International Raceway to join the crew of a successful team. The Tipo 61 (Birdcage) Maserati shown below is the car that Carroll Shelby (1959 Le Mans Winner, etc.) drove to win the USAC Sports Car Driving Championship in his final two driving events (Riverside and Laguna Seca) before retiring from personal competition. I will never forget, and always cherish, the opportunity given me by Carroll, Jim Jeffords, and the crew of J. Frank Harrison's Chattanooga Glass Company to work with them in these last two races. These two events shaped a great portion of my life during the 47 years since that day.

I won't comment on Carroll's rift with SAAC other than to say that I respect him and thank him for the opportunities and memories of my life, and wish him well. I look forward to the National Rally III in Las Vegas and the chance to once again see this man.

Sincerely, Ralphie
 
As you can see Carroll lays it flat on top of the table, (he calls a cow a cow and a calf a calf) as we say in Texas and he is a TEXAN. He has been a true friend and gentleman to me and my family since we've known him since 1962. My Father was the first Shelby dealer in Texas in 1963 and the 2nd Shelby dealer in the US. When Carroll and I talk he always tells me he loves me and my family and we never leave each other without a hug. Some of you may have seen that the night at dinner at the Peterson gathering. He is real and very genuine and is very loyal to his friends. All of this split up is only because of the lack of RESPECT AND COURTESY on behalf of a few. Enough Said. God bless you Carroll. Tomy Hamon
 
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As you can see Carroll lays it flat on top of the table, (he calls a cow a cow and a calf a calf) as we say in Texas and he is a TEXAN.
He is real and very genuine and is very loyal to his friends.
Enough Said. God bless you Carroll. Tomy Hamon

Well Said - Thank You Tomy for saying it like it is.

God Bless Carroll Shelby.
 
Hmmm... after reading Shelby's response to SAAC, I will have to rethink my position on this topic.

SAAC has done a good job over the years keeping the Shelby legend alive, but it now appears some may have taken undue liberties with their positions.

I suspect, as usual, the truth lies somewhere in between the two sides of the stories we're hearing.

mardyn
 
Hmmm... after reading Shelby's response to SAAC, I will have to rethink my position on this topic.

SAAC has done a good job over the years keeping the Shelby legend alive, but it now appears some may have taken undue liberties with their positions.

I suspect, as usual, the truth lies somewhere in between the two sides of the stories we're hearing.

mardyn

No disrespect intended, we are not going to debate this matter. The complaints in the MR. SHELBY'S letter have been echoed for years by many SAAC members. To me the most annoying one is that insiders where able to buy cars and parts before they where offered the the membership at large.

I surfed over to the SAAC web site and I can tell you the comments from everyone including the moderators are disgusting. If they think they will mediate this situation on an internet forum they are wildly mistaken.

Thanks, but the thread is being carefully monitored.

Bony
moderator
 
I'll tell you what - when someone risks libel, by putting something in writing it speaks volumes. Caroll Shelby would not be allowed to lie in a letter like this, he totally lays it out on the line and will gain a ton of respect for doing so. It sounds to me like a couple of guys took advantage of his generosity, and now that Shelby is back - his lawyers are going to prevent this type of thing from happening in the future. Good for him.
 
I'll tell you what - when someone risks libel, by putting something in writing it speaks volumes. Caroll Shelby would not be allowed to lie in a letter like this, he totally lays it out on the line and will gain a ton of respect for doing so. It sounds to me like a couple of guys took advantage of his generosity, and now that Shelby is back - his lawyers are going to prevent this type of thing from happening in the future. Good for him.

Very, very, very good point. Something for all of us to think about.

My father was an executive for Gulf Oil, and he traveled over 150,000 miles a year when he worked for Gulf. Many years ago, my father sat next to Carroll on a flight from Paris to Houston. For over 8 hours they talked about everything from chili to cars. My dad told me back then that after that chance meeting he liked Carroll, he liked him a lot. He said he was “a gold ole boy from Texas that did good”. He got a real good feeling about Carroll, and really thought he was an honest man. I know you don’t know my father, but he is one of the most respected people that I have ever known. Everyone who meets him, likes him. If my dad said that about Carroll, then that’s good enough for me.
 
The man has spoken. Case closed.
 
The usual suspects.

I suspect, as usual, the truth lies somewhere in between the two sides of the stories we're hearing.
mardyn

And I suspect you'd be wrong on this one Mardyn. Human nature is sometimes distressing. Case in point. If I, unexpectedly, walk up to every one of my employees today and hand each one of them a five dollar bill, they will be both surprised and appreciative. If I do it again tomorrow, they'll still think it's pretty cool. By day three they'll be looking to see if I'm going to come by again with the five dollars. If I do, on day four they'll be expecting me to come by with the five dollars. At the end of 30 days, the five dollars will be expected more than appreciated. But here's the real rub. If, at the end of 30 days I stop giving them five dollars a day, not only will they not appreciate the $150 total dollars I have given them over the last month, they will be angry and feel like they are now getting screwed out of five dollars a day. Over the long haul, it is impossible to exceed expectations. You will only succeed in raising expectations. Furthermore, if you loan a neighbor your lawnmower for a day, he'll appreciate it and willingly return it. If however you loan that same neighbor your lawnmower and you fail to ask him to return it for two years, when you finally do he'll resent it as he has now taken mental ownership of it. I could give you countless real-world examples of the two situations I've just detailed.

Carroll Shelby has been exceedingly generous in licensing his name to SAAC for one dollar a year and in loaning them truckloads of priceless and irreplaceable documents, records, and memorabilia. The principles at SAAC have made a nice living for a number of years under that arrangement. But like my example above, with the passage of time, their initial appreciation has morphed into expectation. Not only do they not appreciate the extremely favorable and financially rewarding (to SAAC) deal that Mr. Shelby gave them for decades, they now resent him because he has asked for copies of records that he is clearly entitled to, and want to sue him for not continuing his "one dollar a year" licensing agreement. The principles of SAAC now feel like they're getting screwed out of a one dollar a year licensing agreement.

Here, the truth does not lie somewhere in between the two sides of the stories we're hearing. The truth was written down in black-and-white, signed and agreed to by SAAC and Carroll Shelby. Human nature and expectations notwithstanding, there is no gray area here. Mr. Shelby has every right to renew or discontinue his licensing agreements as he sees fit. And even though SAAC has clearly taken mental ownership, any materials loaned to it by Carroll Shelby should be returned immediately upon request. That's my take on it.

Chip
 
Great post Chip. You absolutely cannot argue against your analogy. Now that the cards are on the table things have become much more clear. :thumbsup
 
Yep, I'll agree Chip.... I too had those employees, the mental ownership concept is right on target as well.

Excellent analogy.

mardyn