Are Ferrari owners that insecure??


50 BMG said:
The funniest one yet is the "GT shares door handles with the Mondeo." :lol
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If you feel like smartening him up, tell him to remove the cabinlight from the Ferrari 360, and look who manufactures that one.. Oh la, la, it is FRENCH !
(thank you Citroen, I like it and it looks good in the Ferrari..) :wink

This is like little boys that compare their bikes... what a crap. After i started to enjoy the GT forum dearly, I checked in into the Ferrari chat, only to be feeling I'm in the wrong place. They should rename it the Fewrrari wanna be & show offs forum.. quite vulgar crowd. No, thank you have better things to do with my time. Might be there are a few valid chaps in there, but generally, .... :frown

I can like the GT and the Ferraris too, and trust me, the Ferrari owners I hang out with are of different level than what is posting there.
 
SLF360 said:
If you feel like smartening him up, tell him to remove the cabinlight from the Ferrari 360, and look who manufactures that one.. Oh la, la, it is FRENCH !
(thank you Citroen, I like it and it looks good in the Ferrari..) :wink

This is like little boys that compare their bikes... what a crap. After i started to enjoy the GT forum dearly, I checked in into the Ferrari chat, only to be feeling I'm in the wrong place. They should rename it the Fewrrari wanna be & show offs forum.. quite vulgar crowd. No, thank you have better things to do with my time. Might be there are a few valid chaps in there, but generally, .... :frown

I can like the GT and the Ferraris too, and trust me, the Ferrari owners I hang out with are of different level than what is posting there.
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could it be that the FCHAT forum has gotten to be to big, the politics and religion forum is now for subscribed members only. not to mention it gets so out of hand and nasty it requires mutiple moderators with members getting cooling off bans. there is some great information there especially on older cars for 'second hand' owners, but lots of stuff to sift through. :biggrin
 
A properly built NSX engine can achieve over 400HP normally aspirated and over 600HP with forced induction.
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I had a highly modified NSX for the past 8 years and I can assure you that the numbers you cited above are not feasible with any reasonable amount of money. Being very active in the NSX community, I can tell you I've never even heard of a one-off 400HP normally aspirated car. I'm not sure it's possible without building a motor for 10K rpm. Regarding high HP with forced induction, I think 400HP is realistic and anything above 450 or so has not yet proven to be reliable. You are likely aware of FX Motorsports and they are messing with some NSX's in the 450+ range.... but at this time I think they have as many blown motors as they do happy customers. Hopefully the motor learning curve is behind them...

The point is high HP NSX are not easy or inexpensive. My car dyno'd repeatedly at 403 - 412HP but that HP was at 8K rpm. On the track the car was great but on the street it's tiresome (and dangerous) to have to twist it up to 8K in order to rope anyone in.
 
So? They like Ferraris, we like Fords.
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Whoa! there AZGT.... where'd that plural come from? I'm a big fan of A Ford, namely the GT. I'm also a big fan of what Ford achieved with the original GT40. I also find it an amazing accomplishment to bring the new GT to market. But, as for a fan of other Ford vehicles.... well, that's going too far. :biggrin
 
nota4re said:
Whoa! there AZGT.... where'd that plural come from? I'm a big fan of A Ford, namely the GT. I'm also a big fan of what Ford achieved with the original GT40. I also find it an amazing accomplishment to bring the new GT to market. But, as for a fan of other Ford vehicles.... well, that's going too far. :biggrin
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My apologies. That was a big leap. I have never owned a Ford (not that there is anything wrong with that - figured I would say that before the Ford owners of the world got out the tar and feathers) until the GT. I had a momentary lapse when talking about company names. Thanks for catching me.

Sometimes, as a joke, I do talk about going for a ride in the "Ford." It makes everyone chuckle. :biggrin
 
Ferrari P4

It makes one wonder if the recent arrival of the multi million dollar Ferrari P4/5 that recently debuted is based on the recent popularity of the Ford GT.

I must say the P4 is beautiful and lust worthy......but its lineage....hmmm.

Wasnt this the car that the Ford GT40 kept from winning Lemans until Ferrari quit?

Food for thought when writing that check.

Art T :eek
 
Art,

The car hasn't "arrived" yet.

The P4/5 is the vision of one very wealthy man. I doubt it has anything to do w/the popularity of the GT. Especially considering the owner has a Le Mans raced GT40, but I don't believe he owns a new GT.

Greg A
 
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The gent who has commission the P4/5 not only has an original P4 he has an original Ford Gt 427 which is street driven and a Lola T70coupe. He is a genuine car guy, active on the Ferrari and GT forums, has open houses at his garage, and attends many events. He is down to earth and a true polite gentleman. His collection is amazing.
 
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I read the article....the point I was making is that one should not devalue something based on just a nameplate. Even those cars with significant "heratige" have times when they did not win. Like the GT40 at Daytona in 1967. Ferrari 1,2,3,4.

As for myself, I dont get moved by modern Ferraris.....Not like a mid 60s GTO or some of the California roadsters....those cars are like rolling sculptures.

I guess that is why I bought the GT, it has captured the look of one of the most romantic eras in motorsports. The era brought to an end by the real "Terminator"......The Porsche 917.

That is my opinion and I realize that cars like these strike a visceral chord within most of us that are fortunate enough to own one. :bs
 
I hope I get it!

ROCMAN said:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88230

There are a few guys over there that get it, but the majority over there really don't get it!

I guess the GT is what separates the Enthusiast from the Elitest.
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I belong to 'fchat' and here and several other web car forums because I find most forum threads pretty interesting. Sure, each forum has its characters but you have to try and overlook their personal problems: jealousy, insecurity, financial weakness, just being a miserable person and a few other reasons I can't think of right now.

The big 'cat and dog fight' is, IMO, between fchat and lambo power. Each forum claiming to have the best car made and thus defaming the other's's choice of supercar. It's funny for a while and then it just becomes over bearing and ridiculous!

I'm fortunate enough to own a few different brands of cars and I love trying to find facts, info and camaraderie with each web forum and their members. I have to restrain myself when somebody gets stupid, although I just tore into somebody on Lambo Power for being a braggert! I asked a friend who this guy was and he said he's OK but gets uptight and defensive when someone questions his authenticity. I have since personally apologized to him for my preemptive strike on him and he and I are so-so friends now exchanging e-mails.

I know I can't stop the petty bickering but as somebody who has the different cars marques and doesn't hold a bias against other brands, it seems self-defeating and a waste of time (except for funning around)!

I'm just glad to be here and able to talk about my love for my Ford GT with the rest of you! Michael

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bony said:
The gent who has commission the P4/5 not only has an original P4 ...
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Is this the guy who stores the car in Scottsdale and was about to have the IRS seize the car for not paying his taxes?
 
Sometimes, as a joke, I do talk about going for a ride in the "Ford." It makes everyone chuckle.
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Yeah, I envision using this one too... and/or telling someone to "look for me I'll be driving a Ford." In a similar vein, there's also the purposeful mix-up with the Mustang. That could be fun too.

I owned a pristine red/tan 1991 NSX up until about a year ago. Until the day I sold it, I always had people asking me what kind of car it was. My favorite (and true) answer was always, "Oh that, it's a 15 year-old Honda." Most people didn't believe it. Also, when talking car smack at the office, I would sometimes round out my collection by adding that I also had a 15 year old Honda - which happened to be my best car.
 
50 BMG said:
Is this the guy who stores the car in Scottsdale and was about to have the IRS seize the car for not paying his taxes?
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I don't think so. This guy lives in NY and his GT is one of only a hand full of MKIV's.
 
ChipBeck said:
I love the non-owner who has probably never driven a GT or a Ferrari in his life explaining to all that the GT is fine "in a straight line" but in the corners the Ferrari will "send a chill down your spine". Wow, what insight. :bs Last weekend at a local car show (Pavillons) I parked my Yellow/Black GT about 20 yards from 3 new Ferrari's. For 2 hours I watched hundreds of people walk past the uninspireing styling :ack of the F-cars like they were Oldsmobiles and crowd around the GT. THAT, sent a "chill down the spines" of the Ferrari owners.
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:willy :lol :rofl
 
No offense to the NSX crowd but the NSX is the "Deck Furniture on the Titanic", It hasn't really changed in 20 years except for maybe the headlights. My friend has one and he has $150K in it and he calls it a "Glorified Accord". As far as the F430 goes it looks good but gets "Spanked" by the Ford GT. Bottom line is you have to buy a Carrerra GT or a Enzo to get the same performance as the GT, end of story. Everything else including the Lambo's get "Smoked" by the GT. :banana
 
FORDGT001 said:
No offense to the NSX crowd but the NSX is the "Deck Furniture on the Titanic", It hasn't really changed in 20 years except for maybe the headlights. My friend has one and he has $150K in it and he calls it a "Glorified Accord".
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It hasn't changed in 15 years because it didn't have to. Granted Honda could have given the later year models more horsepower but things are what they are. It is still the best handling sports car ever built. They dominate the JGTC series which I hope to God would come to the US one of these days. But now times are a changing and the next incarnation is expected to be a V10 500+HP monster. That's on my shopping list too!
 
Hugh said:
It hasn't changed in 15 years because it didn't have to. Granted Honda could have given the later year models more horsepower but things are what they are. It is still the best handling sports car ever built. They dominate the JGTC series which I hope to God would come to the US one of these days. But now times are a changing and the next incarnation is expected to be a V10 500+HP monster. That's on my shopping list too!
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The NSX is a Joke in Exotic Circles. Its always been for people who couldn't afford Real Cars. When should we expect honda to pull there head out and actually build this 500HP NSX in the year 2020?? In the mean time my GT will walk on any NSX ever made.
 
The NSX is a Joke in Exotic Circles.
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Maybe. Perhaps the same way that some in the "Exotic Circle" think the same way about the GT... Ignorance is bliss.

Let's give Honda a little credit for what they accomplished in late 1990..... but then we can all rip them for never taking it any further for the next 15 years of its production run.

Like Ford (in 2003), Honda's sites(in 1988) were squarely on the F-cars - the target being the 308/328 at the time. The NSX beat the Ferrari at every objective measure and it pioneered several technologies and manufacturing techniques. Definitely a far better car than the Ferrari.... but missing the all-important heritage. A ground-up new engine (never to be used in any other Honda.... and custom made for the NSX chassis), titanium connecting rods, 8K rpm, VTEC (production first), 4-channel ABS (production first), all-aluminum frame and body skins, etc.

In 1990, it was a world-class sports car. The sin was that Honda didn't have the courage/leadership to build on it or do anything new. They just let it stagnate and eventually die a very slow death.

Honda is certainly capable to do great things (look at Cart and F1).... but they need to put their mind to it.
 
I believe the NSX engine is very similar in design to the Legend engine. Of course internals changed for strength and high rpm use. Much like the GT derived from a truck block, but in alloy, strengthen and dry sumped with new cylinder heads.

BlackICE
 
I believe the NSX engine is very similar in design to the Legend engine.
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No. Perhaps some shared technologies but block and heads used in the NSX were never used before or since the NSX. One reason the NSX manufacturing costs were so high.... and of course Honda built a brand new production assembly building and hand-selected their top workers, etc. (I was fortunate enough to tour the Tochigi plant on two different occasions while the NSX was in production. An un-real experience!)

A fine car.... in it's day. Everything around it changed. It didn't. Shame on Honda.
 
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