2012 Boss vs. 2013 SVT GT500

[Cobrar]

Jamal's new ride in 2013? In comparison to the latest Boss, I wonder if SVT will be able to get similar understeer/handling. Should be great fun on the transitions/straights. Love the paint scheme too! :biggrin

http://realperformancemustangs.com/...g-600-plus-horsepower/msg17550/?topicseen#new

 

[2112]

Boy that looks slammed for a factory car.

 

[ObeyMyFast!]

Yummyyyyyyyy

 

[on d bit]

Bored out 5.8l gt500 in 2013? Nice!!!

 

[RALPHIE]

If that is a sleeved aluminum block, will those sleeves fit our motors?

 

[timcantwell]

Boy that looks slammed for a factory car.

That"s the first thing I though! I like it.

 

[Cobrar]

Jamal - please make the 2013 GT500 TracKey compatible. Imagine the '2 personality' calibrations of the current Boss deployed in this beast! :thumbsup

 

[dbk]

I don't know that anything but one personality will be possible in the 2013. :lol

 

[DoctorV8]

overboring a 5.4? That's going to take some serious re-engineering of our bore-challenged mod motors. Have to wonder about the validity of that detail, when they can easily get 600+ crank hp out of a TVS equipped 5.4.

 

[Cobrar]

I don't know that anything but one personality will be possible in the 2013. :lol

Time warp ---- Beam me up Scotty.....

 

[2112]

overboring a 5.4? That's going to take some serious re-engineering of our bore-challenged mod motors. Have to wonder about the validity of that detail, when they can easily get 600+ crank hp out of a TVS equipped 5.4.

Thicker sleeves? How about increased Stroke?

 

[DoctorV8]

Thinner sleeves would be needed. It is already such an undersquare design with a 4.16" stroke; I can't imagine any further stroking.

Wait, that didn't come out sounding right. ;-)

 

[2112]

Thinner sleeves would be needed.

Wouldn't a thicker sleeve (at the expense of the aluminum block) allow a larger bore to be punched?

 

[Indy GT]

Wouldn't a thicker sleeve (at the expense of the aluminum block) allow a larger bore to be punched?

I cannot figure out why you ask....the current aluminum 5.4 in the GT500 does not USE any sleeves. The rings wear on a plasma sprayed coating directly on the aluminum block bore. That was the whole intention of reducing front weight of the car by about 105# a model year or so ago.

 

[2112]

I forgot about that. Just thinking of our engines with Sleeves.

So what is the bore limit with the plasma coating?

 

[Indy GT]

I forgot about that. Just thinking of our engines with Sleeves.

So what is the bore limit with the plasma coating?

I am not quite sure of this question either. There is no "limit" with the plasma coating per se. The coating is very, very thin. I would say 0.001 - 0.002" thick. The Ford fix for one of these blocks with a scored wall due to a ring or piston problem is to sleeve that cylinder. For me that makes this plasma spray technique (which incidently has been around for years) undesireable irrespective of the weight loss of not having to carry the weight of 8 iron cylinder sleeves.

Our FGT 5.4L engine architecture (with the use of iron sleeves) is much more robust. Just ask the guys running TT+SC at 30 lbs pressure boost....

 

[DoctorV8]

2112, the limit of the bore is a physical one...these modular 4.6/5.4s were designed with very tight bore spacing so they would fit in transverse applications, like the 1995-2002 Lincoln Continental. Even w/o a sleeve, there is hardly any room to expand the bore without going to a whole new casting.

I would think that the new 5.0 motor with DI and turbocharging will find its way under the hood of a Mustang soon. EcoBoost V8 FTW!

 

[2112]

Roger.

For the sake of discussion, what is the maximum amount of cubic inches with a sleeved 5.4?

 

[satx]

Isn't the '13 supposed to be a tall deck coyote with a TVS?

 

[DoctorV8]

Roger.

For the sake of discussion, what is the maximum amount of cubic inches with a sleeved 5.4?

Sean Hyland has built a 6 liter thin sleeved/stroked 5.4 to my knowledge. Megabucks for very little gain.