No racin' on 'street in Ontario, Calif.


Empty Pockets

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Ontario Calif evidently is REALLY getting serious about stoppin' street racin' down there acc'ding to Fox News. THEY ACTUALLY CRUSH A CONVICTED RACER'S CAR.

...'Hope that's done only AFTER all "appeals" have been exhausted.:ack
 
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They need to provide people with a place to go. I hope there are some tracks near by.
 
all the organizations doing events like our rally are having web site overloads as a result of the tragic crash in Tenessee last week. I am surprised not one word on our forum.
 
They need to provide people with a place to go. I hope there are some tracks near by.


Ya! GOOD LUCK!

When I was a 'teen ( I think Taft was in the Whitehouse then? :confused ), we tried to get the city to let us have Friday nite drag races on what was at THAT time an unused airstrip. THAT went over like a lead balloon. AND THIS WAS WAAAAAAY BEFORE THE DAYS OF, "I'LL SUE! I'LL SUE YUR BUTT OFF!!!"

Guess they'd have lost too much $$$ in 'fines'. :skep

('Sure was a pain in the butt to drive 60 miles to the nearest 'strip.)
 
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The government has the power to seize and destroy cars that have been adapted for street racing, and can do so before a race takes place or any charges are laid, Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant said Wednesday.

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It is sad and ironic.

In theory I could have my GT taken away and crushed because it may be a street racer. Last cop who pulled me over lectured me because it is because of people like me and their modified vehicles that she has to work.
 
(1)The government has the power to seize and destroy cars that have been adapted for street racing, and can do so before a race takes place or any charges are laid

(2)In theory I could have my GT taken away and crushed because it MAY be a street racer.

(3)Last cop who pulled me over lectured me because it is because of people like me and their modified vehicles that she has to work.


(1) & (2) ... SO, I take it up THERE you could be thrown in jail for RAPE too simply because you have the equipment??? RUSSIA or Red China are more free than Canada evidently. Talk about gov't abuse of authority!!!!!:bs

(3) Ya. She'd rather be sprawled out on the couch watchin' soap operas and munchin' Bon-Bon's. She's the type who'd have voted for Howard Dean if she could have.
 
I feel for these kids who race on the streets. These kids have to drive sometimes a couple hundred miles to tracks. California is ripping down tracks and they wonder why kids turn to street racing. Its simple they still want to have fun and have no where to go. A modded car is more enjoyment for the owner heck I know cops who drived modded cars.
 
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I hope street racing laws get more definite. Right now two cars speeding side by side (and neither accelerating) can be considered street racing.

316.191 Racing on highways.--
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Drag race" is defined as the operation of two or more vehicles from a point side by side at accelerating speeds in a competitive attempt to outdistance each other, or the operation of one or more vehicles over a common selected course, from the same point to the same point, for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds or power of acceleration of such vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or time limit.
(b) "Racing" is defined as the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain, outdistance, or prevent another vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another vehicle or vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long-distance driving routes.
(2)(a) A person may not drive any vehicle, including any motorcycle, in any race; speed competition or contest; drag race or acceleration contest; test of physical endurance; exhibition of speed or acceleration; or for the purpose of making a speed record on any highway, roadway, or parking lot, and a person may not in any manner participate in, coordinate, facilitate, or collect moneys at any location for any such race; ride as a passenger in; or purposefully cause the movement of traffic to slow or stop for, any such race, competition, contest, test, or exhibition. Any person who violates this paragraph commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Any person who violates this paragraph shall pay a fine of not less than $250 and not more than $500, and the department shall revoke the driver license of a person so convicted for 1 year. A hearing may be requested pursuant to s. 322.271.
(b) Any person who violates paragraph (a) within 5 years after the date of a prior violation that resulted in a conviction for a violation of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, and shall pay a fine of not less than $500 and not more than $1,000. The department shall also revoke the driver license of that person for 2 years. A hearing may be requested pursuant to s. 322.271.
(c) In any case charging a violation of paragraph (a), the court shall be provided a copy of the driving record of the person charged and may obtain any records from any other source to determine if one or more prior convictions of the person for violation of paragraph (a) have occurred within 5 years prior to the charged offense.
(3) Whenever a law enforcement officer determines that a person was engaged in a drag race or race, as described in subsection (1), the officer may immediately arrest and take such person into custody. The court may enter an order of impoundment or immobilization as a condition of incarceration or probation. Within 7 business days after the date the court issues the order of impoundment or immobilization, the clerk of the court must send notice by certified mail, return receipt requested, to the registered owner of the vehicle, if the registered owner is a person other than the defendant, and to each person of record claiming a lien against the vehicle.
(a) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the impounding agency shall release a motor vehicle under the conditions provided in s. 316.193(6)(e), (f), (g), and (h), if the owner or agent presents a valid driver license at the time of pickup of the vehicle.
(b) All costs and fees for the impoundment or immobilization, including the cost of notification, must be paid by the owner of the vehicle or, if the vehicle is leased or rented, by the person leasing or renting the vehicle, unless the impoundment or immobilization order is dismissed. All provisions of s. 713.78 shall apply.
(4) This section does not apply to licensed or duly authorized racetracks, drag strips, or other designated areas set aside by proper authorities for such purposes.

So what have we learned-
1- Not allowing another vehicle to pass is street racing.
2- If racing is outdistancing eachother, does this include when you give it gas to get ahead of someone and make a turn? What if the police officer only catches a glimpse? :confused

I'm not one to encourage street racing, but sometimes it's not as clearcut as it's made out to be. And traffic court you're guilty until proven innocent, unlike criminal court, so I don't like the idea of crushing cars based off of laws this lenient.

Heres the article-
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jun20/0,4...HotRods,00.html

The cars the teens had so meticulously souped up and tricked out were crushed Wednesday as part of a crackdown on illegal street racing in Southern California.

"That's my heart, my dream," said Hoang, 18, of Chino, who was surrounded by friends as his 1998 Acura Integra was put into a compactor. "That's my girlfriend, the love of my life. The cops can crush my car, but they can't crush my memories."

Authorities destroyed six vehicles Wednesday at an auto graveyard, hoping would-be racers think again after looking at the mashed machines. Illegal street racing is responsible for or suspected in 13 deaths in Southern California since March.

The thrill-seeking, adrenaline-pumping activity is rampant in Riverside and San Bernardino counties east of Los Angeles where rows of tract homes line wide streets that attract racers.

Nearly 1,000 people _ drivers and spectators _ have been arrested for investigation of street racing activities over the past two years in San Bernardino County alone. Police need a court order to destroy the cars. They must prove that the serial or identification numbers on a vehicle or its parts are removed, altered or destroyed.

Police said they have managed to reduce illegal racing and related fatal collisions, but know the underground hobby still thrives.

"We are making a dent," said Ontario police Cpl. Jeff Higbee. "But it's summertime and ... we expect to see more activity."

Hoang said he was caught late last year racing his prized car, on which he spent at least $10,000 to get into top shape. The 350-horsepower engine topped out at 160 mph, Hoang said, swearing it could beat a Corvette or even a Ferrari.

When police popped open the hood, Hoang said, they found a stolen transmission. Hoang flashed a receipt for the transmission he bought from his father who runs an auto shop and doubted the item was hot.

"Everything on that car was practically brand new," Hoang said as he watched his car get moved to auto death row. "They should take out the stuff that matters, auction it off, and give the money to charity."

Because racers put heavy stress on their vehicles, they often burn out or blow up parts. Higbee said the need for the expensive parts has created a "theft mill" where additional cars _ usually Hondas or Acuras _ are stolen and stripped of the necessary replacements.

Most of the cars police examine are illegally modified. Sergio Zavala, 18, was pulled over in his 1993 yellow Honda Civic for a broken tail light in December. He had purchased a B-20 Vtech engine with a double-overhead cam a couple months before, and after a police investigation, was told it was stolen.

Zavala, who admits he's been involved in street racing, estimates he and his mother spent about $10,000 on improvements to his car.

After watching his Civic demolished, Zavala is left without a car as he plans to attend a fire academy in the fall.

"It's heartbreaking to see this," said Zavala, who graduated from high school last week. "This is where all my time and money went."

Maldonado also said he put plenty of time and effort working on his 1992 black Honda Civic. He was stopped in November by police in what Higbee described as an area where racers gather.

The 18-year-old mechanic said a vehicle identification sticker apparently fell off and without it, police suspected some of the parts were stolen. Maldonado stood several feet away from his car as it was pounded into a heap of metal.

Maldonado said he has taken the advice of police by racing legally on one of several race courses around Southern California. For the money spent in fines and other penalties _ on average about $5,000 for illegally modified cars _ Higbee said street racers could compete about 250 times a year at a legitimate track.

"If you have to race, take it to a legal venue," Higbee said. "But as long as they keep racing illegally, we keep crushing their cars."

All three men who saw their vehicles destroyed said they believe illegal street racing will continue to prosper across the region.

"It will never go away," Maldonado said. "If it's in your heart, you will continue to do it until you can't anymore."

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 
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only inbreds with nothing to loose street race

the cars that the cops crushed all appeared to be stolen. only inbreds street race.
 

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all the organizations doing events like our rally are having web site overloads as a result of the tragic crash in Tenessee last week. I am surprised not one word on our forum.

Yes a very tragic accident. But it was an insanely dangerous thing to do, with no guardrails or anything to protect spectators. Spectators are taking an awful chance in cases like this, but that's free will for you. You have to exercise free will carefully. As I used to tell the guys in my golf foursome whenever one of them would stand ahead of a player teeing off, "It's not the probability of the outcome that matters, it's the consequences." Common sense is definitely an endangered species these days.
 
If these young enthusiasts have the kind of money to put into their cars that they appear to, then they need to hook up with one of the many organizations that rent out road racing tracks and for as little as $100 a day, you can get five or more 20 minute sessions.....and often with an instructer in your passenger seat!
I've had such a great time going to Willow Springs here in SoCal with different car groups that it really helps me keep my right foot under control while on the road with all the loonies driving around. :thumbsup
 
There need to be more tracks around southern california. the closest one is two hours away. They need to provide these kids with an outlet.
 
Maybe these kids are putting their financial interest first and peoples safety second. It woundn't be the 1st time.

As mentioned on another thread, crash on the street you are covered, crash on a track no coverage! Insurance that is. Of course all of that aftermarket stuff would not be replaced unless these kids told the underwriter about them.
 
Maybe these kids are putting their financial interest first and peoples safety second. It woundn't be the 1st time.

As mentioned on another thread, crash on the street you are covered, crash on a track no coverage! Insurance that is. Of course all of that aftermarket stuff would not be replaced unless these kids told the underwriter about them.
Yup, might get a ticket, but it's cheaper than a car being totaled with no insurance.

If these young enthusiasts have the kind of money to put into their cars that they appear to, then they need to hook up with one of the many organizations that rent out road racing tracks and for as little as $100 a day, you can get five or more 20 minute sessions.....and often with an instructer in your passenger seat!
I've had such a great time going to Willow Springs here in SoCal with different car groups that it really helps me keep my right foot under control while on the road with all the loonies driving around. :thumbsup
Where can you rent a track out for $100? When I checked into it for the UCF Car club, Gainesville raceway was $1800 for 4 hours :frown
 
In a driving school event, at a track, without timing laps, you may possibly have coverage for your own car. Best to check, understand and confirm your own individual policy beforehand.
 
The government has the power to seize and destroy cars that have been adapted for street racing, and can do so before a race takes place or any charges are laid, Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant said Wednesday.

:bs

It is sad and ironic.

In theory I could have my GT taken away and crushed because it may be a street racer. Last cop who pulled me over lectured me because it is because of people like me and their modified vehicles that she has to work.

PLEASE, REREAD THE ARTICLE, THE VIN PLATES WERE REMOVED, OR THE CARS WHERE STOLEN
 
There need to be more tracks around southern california. the closest one is two hours away. They need to provide these kids with an outlet.

Who is they, the taxpayers?
 
Yup, might get a ticket, but it's cheaper than a car being totaled with no insurance.


Where can you rent a track out for $100? When I checked into it for the UCF Car club, Gainesville raceway was $1800 for 4 hours :frown

Tell me, you are not saying street racing is cheaper.... hope it is not your kid that is killed watching a race at the finish line!:bs :bs :bs :bs
 
JJ-
There is a group here in SoCal called speedtrialusa.com that rent out the tracks, then sell spots. When I went to Willow Springs about a month ago, a group of us signed up together, so we were able to be a single run group within the larger group...only our 16 cars on the track along with a couple instructors in their cars showing people lines, etc. My wife had never been on a track before and they provided an instructor in her car with her each time she went out. I have to assume there are similar entities around the country.
The venue is fully manned with track and corner workers, a morning drivers' meeting is held stressing safety and going over all the flags, etc. They don't mess around or tolerate foolishness on the track. Do something stupid, like stop on the track, get out and ask a track worker where the bathroom is, (no kidding :willy) and you are gonzo.

I also run my GT and 1970 Boss 302 with the local Shelby Club, they rent out Willow Springs two weekends each year. They charge about $250 to run with them. I've been invited to run with the local Pantera club also. Point is, with race-heritage Fords, you should be welcome with those types of groups! :thumbsup