i want to go for a ride in this bomber....


Fast Freddy

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i went for a ride in a B-17 a couple of years ago and want i to go for a ride in this B-29 even more :cool

My neighbor shot down a Zero from a B-29 on a bombing raid to Tokyo in WWII :usa

FIFI will be in Tucson at the end of February. i am calling tommorow to make my flight reservation :bow

http://vimeo.com/17388627
 
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i went for a ride in a B-17 a couple of years ago...

Aaaaaaaaah, then you already know to bring ear protection...
 
Aaaaaaaaah, then you already know to bring ear protection...

What for, I thought a your age your hearing is already damaged.
 
Just booked my flight online tonight :biggrin i got the Bombardier seat for me, the Flight Observer seat for my Brother in-law and the Navigator seat for my Nephew :bow gonna wear my 18K Gold Cartier Aviator Sunglasses and my Sheepskin Leather Bomber Jacket :cool i might even drop a 20 megaton Atom bomb on the Whitehouse....

http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!b-29-superfortress/c11zx

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I had the pleasure of riding in one of the B-17s that was at Falcon field in AZ. As we took off they had us sit in the belly of the plane opposite each other. To my left were the feet of the gentleman who was sitting on the other side of the plane...they had us staggered to balance weight. He was an elderly gentleman who had flown a B-17 in the war. His grandson had arranged the trip. As the engines revved and we started down the runway his eyes welled up, he had this look on his face of deep pondering familiarity and quietly he said "yep, thats what I remember". The hairs on my arms stood up and a chill came over me. It felt very deep. What an experience!
 
here is a vid of "FIFI" on youtube. these motors look and sound so cool > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fo4WRaaZ0

i wonder how many cylinders they are and how many cubic inches they are? does anybody know....
 
i wonder how many cylinders they are and how many cubic inches they are? does anybody know....

Four Wright R-3350-23 Duplex Cyclone eighteen-cylinder

General characteristics
Type: Twin-row 18-cylinder radial engine
Bore: 6.125 in (155.6 mm)
Stroke: 6.312 in (160.2 mm)
Displacement: 3,347 in3 (54.86 L)
Length: 76.26 in (1,930 mm)
Diameter: 55.78 in (1,420 mm)
Dry weight: 2,670 lb (1,212 kg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_R-3350_Duplex-Cyclone
 
As above-
18 cylinder, two rows of 9 cylinders each.
3347 cubic inches displacement
2200 - 2800 horsepower
Turbo-compound design with 2 speed supercharger
CR = 6.85:1
 
According to this, these motors can be retro-fitted into a P-51 Mustang :eek

"Several of the air racers at the Reno Air Races are powered by R-3350s. Modifications on one, Rare Bear, include a nose case designed for a slow-turning prop, taken from a R-3350 used on the Lockheed L-1649 Starliner, mated to the power section (crankcase, crank, pistons, and cylinders) taken from a R-3350 used on the Douglas DC-7. The supercharger is taken from a R-3350 used on the Lockheed EC-121 and the engine is fitted with Nitrous Oxide injection. Normal rated power of a stock R-3350 is 2,800 horsepower at 2,600 rpm and 45 inches of manifold pressure. With these modifications, Rare Bear's engine produces 4,000 horsepower at 3,200 rpm and 80 inches of manifold pressure and 4,500 horsepower with Nitrous Oxide injection."

Those are some crazy motors. we need to find a way to stuff one of these into Chip's plane :biggrin
 
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Fast Freddy-

I believe you are mixing apples and oranges here.

The Wright R-3350 is a "round engine" with the cylinders cooled by incoming air. As stated above the engine has two rows of nine air cooled cylinders. Aircraft using round engines have large frontal areas to enable cooling air to enter the nacelle and cool the cylinders which have external cooling fins affixed to the individual cylinders. The required large nacelle frontal area creates significant airframe drag to the aircraft, but it is necessary to remove the heat of combustion not converted into mechanical work for the propeller.

Interestingly (and as an aside which I always found interesting) my Curtis-Wright Corporation Engineering Handbook, circa 1965, details the “heat balance” for a Wright “Cyclone 18” (believed to be one of the R-3350 variants) at takeoff power, 2500 Bhp/2900 rpm, 0.100 F/A. Of the 13,450 horsepower equivalent energy (100%) provided to the engine via the fuel, only 2,500 hp brake power output (18.5%) is produced and sent to the propeller. Thus 81.5% of the gasoline energy (Btu’s) is dumped overboard as waste heat (exhaust mass flow, radiation losses, oil cooler heat rejection, mechanical losses, etc.). Large surface areas are needed to remove this amount of heat at a rate sufficient to keep metal temperatures from melting.

Your reference to the “Rare Bear” is to a Grumman F8F WW2 fighter which originally had an air cooled round engine (Pratt & Whitney R-2800-W34 Double Wasp, dual row 9 cyl). So it makes sense in the Reno air races the owner would replace one R-2800, 2,100 hp type engine with a larger R-3350 2,500 hp engine.

The reference to a P-51 being repowered with an R-3350 is quite unlikely. Toward the end of the war as the need for faster and faster fighters was necessary (ME 262 jet aircraft were beginning to emerge), aircraft drag HAD to be reduced to go faster. Aircraft drag goes up by the square of the aircraft velocity, so as faster planes were necessary, some way of reducing drag (especially engine cowling) was necessary. Enter water cooled engines which could be cowled much more tightly reducing overall airframe drag. Examples of airframes utilizing water cooled engines include the P51, RAF Spitfires, Hurricanes and the infamous Kelly Johnson P38 designs.

Thus because these aircraft were designed from the onset with much more streamlined fuselages to house liquid cooled engines, it is unlikely one would replace the lower drag cowling configuration of a liquid cooled engine with a much higher drag producing cowling required for an air cooled round engine. IMO.
 
We saw FIFI Fly at Willow Run in Michigan last June along with WickedWabbit and HunHunter P-47's and over a dozen P-51's....
I hope you have a great time. It is quite an aircraft and the ONLY B-29 left that is actually Flying..!!
John - if you see this... Is the air show at Willow Run happening again in 2013 ??

andy (AJB)